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Old 08-24-2007, 11:22 AM   #166
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It's completely understandable to look at past moves and wish we weren't in this situation now, but the fact is the past cannot be changed and the present is what it is. Worrying about the past doesn't win us any games this season.

Ultimately, this move will be graded on what happens on the field.
Some people will never be satisfied. Saying "It should never have come to this" is making the perfect the enemy of the good. Let's look at the deal for Kendall for what it is and acknowledge that the team made the best of a bad situation. They took a chance that Wade could transition and they missed. I don't think it was an unreasonable risk. Guard is an easier position than Tackle, others have successfully made the switch, etc. If Bugel thought it could be done, you have to rely on that judgement. At least they aren't trying to go forward with Wade in an attempt to prove a point. They have seen their error and attempted to correct it.

But Matty is right, in the end you either win games or you lose games and that is the judge and jury on all these moves. I think that if you are a supporter of the team or claim to be, you should at least wait and see some regular season games before you make a final judgement, but that's my view.
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:26 AM   #167
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Some people will never be satisfied. Saying "It should never have come to this" is making the perfect the enemy of the good. Let's look at the deal for Kendall for what it is and acknowledge that the team made the best of a bad situation. They took a chance that Wade could transition and they missed. I don't think it was an unreasonable risk. Guard is an easier position than Tackle, others have successfully made the switch, etc. If Bugel thought it could be done, you have to rely on that judgement. At least they aren't trying to go forward with Wade in an attempt to prove a point. They have seen their error and attempted to correct it.

But Matty is right, in the end you either win games or you lose games and that is the judge and jury on all these moves. I think that if you are a supporter of the team or claim to be, you should at least wait and see some regular season games before you make a final judgement, but that's my view.
Yeah seriously, I mean what was the flipside of this, should the Skins have just stubbornly pushed forward and not made a move for fear of acknowledging that things weren't working out as is?

Part of learning from your mistakes involves correcting those mistakes... if you can. And lucky enough for them this was something that could be corrected before it got any worse.
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:31 AM   #168
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We need Kendal. Todd Wade is not a gaurd, and never will be a guard. This was a solid and neccessary pick-up in my opinion.
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:33 AM   #169
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I think thats the problem, the skins can never look back to learn a lesson or look ahead to head off any potential problems. The skins cant seem to see beyond today so they end up always seem to end up chasing their tails.

I think this move will work out ok but I dont see championship teams often needing to patch their O line 3 weeks into preseason.
So I guess they should have looked into their crystal ball and known that Will Whitticker was going to go down for the season and Wade was going to get banged up and have trouble adjusting?

Why won't anybody address my point on Whitticker? Does he not count as foresight on the part of the coaching staff? He was mauling in camp, per JLC's blog. He WAS the answer.

But I guess we should expect the team to go three deep with studs at every position.

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Old 08-24-2007, 11:42 AM   #170
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So I guess they should have looked into their crystal ball and known that Will Whitticker was going to go down for the season and Wade was going to get banged up and have trouble adjusting?

Why won't anybody address my point on Whitticker? Does he not count as foresight on the part of the coaching staff? He was mauling in camp, per JLC's blog. He WAS the answer.

But I guess we should expect the team to go three deep with studs at every position.

Well stated. They are trying everything they can to put the best team on the field. Last year, they sat back and told themselves that everything would some how work out and they paid for it. This year they are leaving no stone unturned in an attempt to get the best 53 players ready to go. It would be wonderful if they were stacked with young talent at every position and no one ever got hurt and mommys and daddys never got divorced and it never rained on the weekend and shit tasted like eskimo pies but unfortunately we have to live in the real world.
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:46 AM   #171
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Yeah, Whitticker really could have been the ace in the hole here. It's really unfortunate that he got hurt.
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:51 AM   #172
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So I guess they should have looked into their crystal ball and known that Will Whitticker was going to go down for the season and Wade was going to get banged up and have trouble adjusting?

Why won't anybody address my point on Whitticker? Does he not count as foresight on the part of the coaching staff? He was mauling in camp, per JLC's blog. He WAS the answer.

But I guess we should expect the team to go three deep with studs at every position.

Teams have guys go down all the time, championship teams have guys ready to step in (not studs but solid backups) the skins however always seems to need to scramble when someone gets hurt.

As corny as it sounds, yes, they should have been able to look into a crystal ball, or tarot cards, or whatever, and run scenarios about what would happen if certain players at various positions got hurt. It appears they never figured WW would get hurt and the team would be stuck short at the position. They have had since Jan to do this but again they are not prepared.

I guess my point is the Skins continue to give away draft picks for old players at positions they should have already drafetd and been developing players for.
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:58 AM   #173
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Teams have guys go down all the time, championship teams have guys ready to step in (not studs but solid backups) the skins however always seems to need to scramble when someone gets hurt.

As corny as it sounds, yes, they should have been able to look into a crystal ball, or tarot cards, or whatever, and run scenarios about what would happen if certain players at various positions got hurt. It appears they never figured WW would get hurt and the team would be stuck short at the position. They have had since Jan to do this but again they are not prepared.

I guess my point is the Skins continue to give away draft picks for old players at positions they should have already drafetd and been developing players for.
You're unrealistic. There simply aren't enough quality players in the league, or enough room under the salary cap, for the team to have THREE LEGIT OPTIONS at LG.

They had Wade, a talented career-starter at T, who could make the switch. They had Whitticker, a huge body in the mold of Dockery, 340-350 pounds. And you want them to have a 3rd G option either with Wade's athleticism or Whitticker's size?

That's unrealistic. I think Gibbs and Bugel looked at it from all angles, but the salary cap doesn't allow you to stack 3 great players up at every position. In the end, they're the victims of some rough luck with Whitticker's injury.
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You're unrealistic. There simply aren't enough quality players in the league, or enough room under the salary cap, for the team to have THREE LEGIT OPTIONS at LG.

They had Wade, a talented career-starter at T, who could make the switch. They had Whitticker, a huge body in the mold of Dockery, 340-350 pounds. And you want them to have a 3rd G option either with Wade's athleticism or Whitticker's size?

That's unrealistic. I think Gibbs and Bugel looked at it from all angles, but the salary cap doesn't allow you to stack 3 great players up at every position. In the end, they're the victims of some rough luck with Whitticker's injury.
LOL seriously.

I guarantee that if the Patriots were down to their 3rd option at LG, they would be hurting too.
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Its not unrealistic when you are asking a career tackle in Wade to totally change positions and he struggles very very early on. What he's saying is that if the front office would have used a 4-5 rounder on a decent o-lineman sometime over the past 4 years, then we would be in a better position. Wade struggled from the get go, and to say "he could make the switch" just because he was a big guy who played tackle, that was unrealistic.
In hindsight it's unrealistic. It seemed reasonable at the time. You wouldn't substitute your judgement about offensive line for Gibbs' or Bugel's would you? Everybody's a genius after the fact.
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Its not unrealistic when you are asking a career tackle in Wade to totally change positions and he struggles very very early on. What he's saying is that if the front office would have used a 4-5 rounder on a decent o-lineman sometime over the past 4 years, then we would be in a better position. Wade struggled from the get go, and to say "he could make the switch" just because he was a big guy who played tackle, that was unrealistic. Saying we ever had 3 legit LGs, that seems way, way off.
Why did we need to draft a G with a 4th or 5th rounder when we found a guy with Whitticker's size & talent without having to spend a draft pick?

I can see the point on Wade, but it's not like he was the only option.
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Besides, what guarantee do you have that said 4th or 5th rounder would fare any better than Todd Wade?
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Wade is huge and athletic, if Bugel said he could turn him into a guard then I'll have to go with Bugel. Whitticker doesn't get hurt and we get to see what he could do in games, but right now all we have to go by is practice reports.

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Old 08-24-2007, 12:51 PM   #179
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Anyone know what becomes of Whittiker?
I know he's cut and has a high ankle sprain...I think those are 6 week injuries.
Any chance of the skins picking him back up week 3 or so?
Or are we set at guard?

What are your thoughts?
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:52 PM   #180
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I don't think we can judge this move until we see Kendall on the field. If he comes out and contributes, I bet most of us here will forget about what we gave up for him.
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