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Old 09-05-2007, 05:12 PM   #16
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Re: RI: Collins is the no. 2

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You mean like when we were down by 13 to dallas late in the 4th quater? And MB threw two long balls to SM for two quick TD's to WIN the game.....?
Here we go again... Let's defend Brunell with the game where he used up the last bit of his magic, two effing years ago.

And I was kidding... sort of.
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:13 PM   #17
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I wonder if this decreases Brunell's trade value on the market?
Can it go much lower?

We'd be lucky to get a 5th or 6th as it is.
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:19 PM   #18
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Re: RI: Collins is the no. 2

I wish he had made Brunell 2nd string just to piss every one off. Get over the Brunell thing. Who gives a shit. If Campbell goes down and Collins has to play and doesn't play well, you will all be screaming for Brunell quick fast in a hurry.
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:20 PM   #19
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I take it you haven't been around here very long.

Brunell is public enemy #1 to a lot of people.

I've been lurking around the forum for a very long time, just haven't posted much. Doesn't make the Brunell bashing any easier to take...

As for those that think Brunell is enemy #1, they probably should get a life. But it does irk me when they put their long-distance TV evaluation ahead of Coach Gibbs' professional evaluation. Whatever...
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:32 PM   #20
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Re: RI: Collins is the no. 2

I called this back in April ...but then I also had Vernon Fox starting week one
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:51 PM   #21
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Ha! No problem?! What if there's a pass rush, or 3rd and 8, or a 4th quarter deficit?
See Dallas game, 05 season.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:11 PM   #22
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I wish he had made Brunell 2nd string just to piss every one off. Get over the Brunell thing. Who gives a shit. If Campbell goes down and Collins has to play and doesn't play well, you will all be screaming for Brunell quick fast in a hurry.
I agree 100%.
I'm a bit surprised really. So TC played well, MB was alright & he's the better qb w/much more experience. You have to wonder if there's more to this than simply winning the preseason qb competition. In addition to Gibbs' letting the vets on D go, this move might just as much be to signal to everybody that no spot is guaranteed. If that's the case, we'll see if he changes his tune w/CP at some point too.

On the other hand, by the time this actually means something, MB could be the #2 again, making Collins feel like Ramsey.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:23 PM   #23
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Re: RI: Collins is the no. 2

Two points:

1. Gibbs doesn't care how much you make as a 1st, 2nd or 3rd stringer.
He claims he puts the best player forward, regardless...this I believe.

2. Regarding trading Brunell. I really dont think that is possible anymore even if they wanted to. Remember, they extended Cooley's contract.
I dont know the cap hit ramifications of a potential Brunell trade.

does anyone know if a Brunell trade is even possible according to the cap?
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:44 PM   #24
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if our defense plays the way we think it can, and Collins comes in, he will be good enough to manage the game. so our defense can win it
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:44 PM   #25
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Re: RI: Collins is the no. 2

Boy, what a difference a year makes? This time last year we were all ready to throw Collins under the bus (including me) Granted he played a little better this preseason, mainly due to the fact he had the opportunity to play with the first team, something he didn't do last year.

I have the utmost respect for Brunell's professionalism.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:45 PM   #26
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Re: RI: Collins is the no. 2

Congratulations to Todd Collins first and foremost.

Don't think this move is entirely based on preseason performance. Gibbs is too smart, and knows too much about both of these guys to allow 4 preseason games to completely change his opinion of his guys.

It seems like there is something that makes Gibbs think that Brunell is incapable of posting numbers like he did last year if hes called on. While theres absolutely no guarentee we can get that sort of production from TC (if called on), I'm open to the idea that he (Collins) can emulate 2006 Brunell better than 2007 Brunell could in a relief appearence.

Ideally, Campbell takes every snap this season, but if he doesn't, I see both of these guys getting time back there.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:53 PM   #27
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Two points:

1. Gibbs doesn't care how much you make as a 1st, 2nd or 3rd stringer.
He claims he puts the best player forward, regardless...this I believe.

2. Regarding trading Brunell. I really dont think that is possible anymore even if they wanted to. Remember, they extended Cooley's contract.
I dont know the cap hit ramifications of a potential Brunell trade.

does anyone know if a Brunell trade is even possible according to the cap?
1. If you're saying he objectively looks at all factors in making a decision, I agree, but that's far different than simply putting your best players forward regardless of age & salary. Wynn might overall be a better player than Wilson at this point, but Wilson makes the roster based on his upside, age & salary.

Gibbs is a savy leader that knows when he has to make a drastic move. This might not be classified as such, but i don't think it's at all far fetched to think that in this case he needed to show the team & coaches that he could promote TC.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:57 PM   #28
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Re: RI: Collins is the no. 2

I guess we skins fans need a QB controversy, or we don't know what to do with ourselves!

Collins played better, but clearly Gibbs likes having MB around. We do pay a lot for him as a #3, but that's the contract we signed. Not sure that moving him for a conditional 6th is a better move right now. Maybe his value will go up during the season as QBs go down--we'll see. Of course, if Collins has to play and he sucks, we'll all be screaming for our favorite guy, Mark Brunnell.

Whatever.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:04 PM   #29
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I doubt very seriously that Gibbs would have made the same decision had Collins play been simular to what we saw last preseason. I'm just convinced he finally saw the light.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:53 PM   #30
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Re: RI: Collins is the no. 2

I'm still hoping someone knows of the cap ramifications of trading Brunell.
I really dont think it is possible.
And then who would we get to replace him, Bramlet?

PA-Leeze.....some CAP guru, help.

I just want this Brunell trade talk to die!
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