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Old 09-06-2007, 12:09 PM   #46
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I think alot of teams around the league would be sunk if their starting QB went down.

It's awfully tough these days to hold on to quality depth at that position for very long before someone swoops in and gives your backup a starting job.

Could our situation be better? Yeah probably... but at the same time having two veterans who are well versed in the offense isn't necessarily a terrible thing.
Totally agree. I just don't get people that say, "Oh the season is lost if JC goes down." I'll bet the same could be said of at least 20 or more teams if they lost their starter. While I'm thrilled about our back-up situation, I'm satisfied with it.

Along the lines of depth, by the way, accross the board, I think we have as much depth as any team in the NFL.
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Old 09-06-2007, 12:16 PM   #47
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We still have a very good QB situation. Few teams can say they have 3 QBs on their roster that at least one team in the league values enough to start. While Collins and Brunell are both well past their respective primes, theres no reason to think either couldnt come in and complete 60-65% of passes and move the ball as well as Campbell could at this point in his young career. We've seen it before.

The crazy thing about the backup is that for 85% of the league, who the backup is can be the most trivial of all football facts. For the remaining 15%, it decides who continues to play up to the potential of the roster (2006 Philly), and who falls off the face of the earth (2006 Tampa).

I feel pretty good knowing that no matter who starts at QB for the Skins, the offense still gives us a pretty solid shot to win every week. Make no mistake about it, with our offense solidly entrenched in the 10-15 range in the NFL, the defense and special teams (especially FG%) will determine how many teams we beat this year.

Of course, that was the case last year too...and well you get the point.
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Old 09-06-2007, 12:20 PM   #48
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Re: RI: Collins is the no. 2

I'm not saying that it's not completely obvious, the situation if Campbell goes down...however, I'm overstating my lack of confidence in Brunell and Collins. It's nice to have 2 veteran QBs that know the system. However, neither have "it" in them anymore to carry a team further than a quarter or 2.

It's nice to have lofty expectations, and while I have them, the realist in me sees that it really doesn't matter who the backups are...what needs to happen is this team needs to live up to it's own expectations, then exceed them.
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Old 09-06-2007, 12:21 PM   #49
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I have to agree there. We were a 5 win offensive system last year, and if Campbell goes down, we're back to the same elements of the 5 win offensive system. The defense will only take this team so far.
He's wrong on this account though. If we had a perfectly average defense last year and perfectly average special teams (we actually had above average teams last year...but the kicking game sucked), we would have won approx. one more than half our games that Brunell started, and maybe a game less than half the games JC started. That's an 8-8 or 9-7 season. The fact that we only won 5 games was half random fluctuations of dumb luck, and half historically bad defense.

Either way, the D and kicking game should improve enough to add 4 wins onto our total from last year. Little luck and we should be a playoff team.
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Old 09-06-2007, 12:26 PM   #50
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It's awfully tough these days to hold on to quality depth at that position for very long before someone swoops in and gives your backup a starting job.
This is an excellent point, but I don't think its hard at all to find a good veteran backup at a bargain basement price. This is because teams from all over like to fill up their rosters with "developmental" (i.e. bad) QB's, and that puts guys like Tim Rattay (and Volek a year ago) on the market to be had for bargain basement prices. These guys have been successful everywhere they were and don't have the stature to challenge the incumbant for his job. They are ideal for backup roles.

You can also find great QB prospects in rounds 2+3 of the draft every year if you are one of the (three...) teams that knows how to evaluate QBs.

But yeah, not hard at all to find a good QB in the NFL today at a bargain basement price. So if someone is willing to trade out the wazoo for your backup, politely thank them and pick up some nice loot without making your team any worse in the short term.
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Old 09-06-2007, 12:30 PM   #51
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I'm not saying that it's not completely obvious, the situation if Campbell goes down...however, I'm overstating my lack of confidence in Brunell and Collins. It's nice to have 2 veteran QBs that know the system. However, neither have "it" in them anymore to carry a team further than a quarter or 2.

It's nice to have lofty expectations, and while I have them, the realist in me sees that it really doesn't matter who the backups are...what needs to happen is this team needs to live up to it's own expectations, then exceed them.
NFL defenses still play way too soft. Yeah, these veteran guys are short on physical ability. But I prefer to think of them as the wise old sages who will beat you with their minds.

Think Peyton Manning, SB XLI. Nothing difficult, just get the ball to an athlete in open space and pick up yardage. (And that was the best D in the NFC, mind you)

Easiest way in the world to move the ball.
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Old 09-06-2007, 02:47 PM   #52
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Just look at our cap sheets under the release fees section. It would cost the Skins about $3.5M to get rid of MB this year.

http://www.redskinswarpath.com/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm
Great link but I'm not sure how to read it.
Does this mean the skins have 1.8M of cap space but would cost 3.5M to cut brunell?
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Old 09-06-2007, 03:13 PM   #53
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No it doesn't! If Campbell goes down it's over. what a lousy job we have done at the backup QB position.
We need to pick-up Byron Leftwich b4 someone else gets him to be the backup/starter.

He is from DC, so the city would be behind another young gifted QB in the mix
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We need to pick-up Byron Leftwich b4 someone else gets him to be the backup/starter.

He is from DC, so the city would be behind another young gifted QB in the mix
So you want the Redskins to sign Leftwich to stir up a quarterback controversy?
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So you want the Redskins to sign Leftwich to stir up a quarterback controversy?
There'd be no controversy, Leftwich can't stay healthy.
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There'd be no controversy, Leftwich can't stay healthy.
I agree. I was refering to SkinsFans "backup/starter" remark.
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Old 09-06-2007, 04:06 PM   #57
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No it doesn't! If Campbell goes down it's over. what a lousy job we have done at the backup QB position.
So who should be the backup then?
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So who should be the backup then?
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Old 09-06-2007, 04:25 PM   #59
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Re: RI: Collins is the no. 2

that would be sweet, we could run the option
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Old 09-06-2007, 04:31 PM   #60
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It would definitely make the opposition's game planning and prep difficult.

I don't think the option would work in the NFL though. Defenders are too fast for it, at least it wouldn't work as an offense like in college, it could work if run just occasionally.
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