Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

Redskins Locker Room


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-24-2007, 02:48 PM   #31
Living Legend
 
GTripp0012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Evanston, IL
Age: 27
Posts: 15,994
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by skinsfan69 View Post
Are you kidding me? Those two calls to the left side when everyone knew we were running to the left side was simply terrible and predictable. You don't call the same play twice in a row on the goal line. Those were his calls and they sucked. That was pure 100% Gibbs thinking it was 1983 and we can just run over everybody.
So? Block 'em.

We can't just run over anybody on every play guarenteed. But if you can't expect to get one yard on two tries from the one, what does that say about your line?

It doesn't matter where you run. They can't afford to key on any one gap. If you run outside, you have to hold the line longer, but you also give your back a chance to walk in untouched if you are successful.

And we weren't. Quit complaning about the coaches making a call that gave us a great chance to win. Things don't always work out.
GTripp0012 is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 09-24-2007, 02:49 PM   #32
No new threads for you
 
LaRon + Sean = Hell 4 U's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Moneytown
Posts: 127
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

Well in all honesty if Betts got in I believe everybody would be saying it was a good call but on the other hand think Jason rushed the last play & a QB sneak would have been better Campbell is 6'4 or 6'5 230 he could have streched for that yard. Bottom line we lost and we hope our team learned from that tough lose.
LaRon + Sean = Hell 4 U is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 02:50 PM   #33
Living Legend
 
GTripp0012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Evanston, IL
Age: 27
Posts: 15,994
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by brent View Post
The left tackle run was too predictable, considering our damaged right side. I was looking for Betts to go flying over center on that 4th down play.
A run up the gut? How is that less predictable than anything?
GTripp0012 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 03:02 PM   #34
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 42
Posts: 84,986
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

Goal line situations aren't the time to get tricky, you have to be able to line up and blow people off the ball to get that one yard. We couldn't punch it in down there so we didn't deserve to win.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 03:09 PM   #35
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 45,105
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk72 View Post
Goal line situations aren't the time to get tricky, you have to be able to line up and blow people off the ball to get that one yard. We couldn't punch it in down there so we didn't deserve to win.
Shows what you know. Clearly, what this team is lacking is a statue of liberty, double reverse, hook 'n ladder, option pass from the one. Damn that conservative run the ball approach!

No one ever wins with a predictable playcall. You never go to your strength, always go for the surprise.

<<He's going to go all the way, unless Blackwood can catch him...>>

I would have done exactly what the Redskins did except with different players. Portis for Betts mainly. And the route that Sellers ran, I'd have run a route where he's already in the endzone when the ball is thrown. Not where he has to catch it and run in
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 03:14 PM   #36
RG Glee
 
Schneed10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Newtown Square, PA
Age: 35
Posts: 8,486
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk72 View Post
Goal line situations aren't the time to get tricky, you have to be able to line up and blow people off the ball to get that one yard. We couldn't punch it in down there so we didn't deserve to win.
Agreed. You have to know deep down in your gut what type of team you are.

Last I checked, we're a run the ball, pound it 35 or 40 times a game type of team. We have guys like big Mike Sellers just waiting to put a crater in somebody's chest with his helmet.

I can live with pounding it from the 1 and not making it. We went with our bread and butter. The Giants just got off the ball, what can you do.

Seems like they could have been anticipating the snap count a little. But as far as the playcall, I can't fault that move.
Schneed10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 03:23 PM   #37
Impact Rookie
 
The Zimmermans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC
Age: 30
Posts: 937
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneed10 View Post
Agreed. You have to know deep down in your gut what type of team you are.

Last I checked, we're a run the ball, pound it 35 or 40 times a game type of team. We have guys like big Mike Sellers just waiting to put a crater in somebody's chest with his helmet.

I can live with pounding it from the 1 and not making it. We went with our bread and butter. The Giants just got off the ball, what can you do.

Seems like they could have been anticipating the snap count a little. But as far as the playcall, I can't fault that move.
We don't have the offensive line to run the ball 40 times a game..plain and simple. But we do have a big mobile QB....Thank GOD
__________________
Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure
The Zimmermans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 03:23 PM   #38
MVP
 
skinsfan69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Arlington, VA.
Posts: 10,031
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack View Post
Shows what you know. Clearly, what this team is lacking is a statue of liberty, double reverse, hook 'n ladder, option pass from the one. Damn that conservative run the ball approach!

No one ever wins with a predictable playcall. You never go to your strength, always go for the surprise.

<<He's going to go all the way, unless Blackwood can catch him...>>

I would have done exactly what the Redskins did except with different players. Portis for Betts mainly. And the route that Sellers ran, I'd have run a route where he's already in the endzone when the ball is thrown. Not where he has to catch it and run in
We are making this more complicated than it needs to be.

1st down. Instead of spiking the ball line up in shotgun and either throw it in the end zone for a td or it's incomplete. That way if we don't make it in on 1st down we can re group on 2nd down and get CP in the game. Or bring in Lloyd on 2nd down since he can jump so high. Throw him a lob pass or a slant. Either way you don't spike it with a minute left.
skinsfan69 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 03:28 PM   #39
Registered User
 
offiss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ]
Age: 50
Posts: 3,097
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by skinsfan69 View Post
Are you kidding me? Those two calls to the left side when everyone knew we were running to the left side was simply terrible and predictable. You don't call the same play twice in a row on the goal line. Those were his calls and they sucked. That was pure 100% Gibbs thinking it was 1983 and we can just run over everybody.
I have said it before and I will say it again, in the 80's and early 90's Gibbs could do what ever he wanted on offense and it worked because his entire tenure he probably had the best O-line in football, so even a bad call looked good because our line would jam a square peg threw a round hole. Now he doesn't have the luxury of pushing defenses around.

You are 100% correct Gibbs is still calling plays like the 80's and hasn't realized it isn't working, and that's scary. Gibbs just doesn't have the ability to change and progress.
offiss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 03:31 PM   #40
Registered User
 
offiss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ]
Age: 50
Posts: 3,097
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

Well we all thought now that Campbell is in and Brunell is out we can open up the offense? LOL, As usual Gibbs couldn't resist trying to run the clock out with a lead starting the 3rd quarter.

It was almost as if the Giants knew Gibbs wouldn't try anything down field, they overloaded the defensive front with no regard for the down field passing game, every play there were 8 giants running to the ball at the LOS, putting all of the burden as usual on the defense to stay on the field the entire second half and hold off the opposition, we have watched the same exact philosophy since Gibbs's return regardless of who's calling the plays, Gibbs is ultimately in charge of the offense, Saunders is known for his relentless attack down field, but all of a sudden now that he's with us he's had a change of heart? Only when we become desperate and are forced to will we take chances down field, when I say chances I mean Gibbs is horrified of possible turnovers, as if the world would end tomorrow if we had an INT taking a shot down field, funny how things opened right back up as soon as Campbell was put into do or die mode, the Giants were not in a prevent at the end it was us moving the ball like we should have all game.

The last 4 plays pretty much sum up Gibbs and his ridiculous, convoluted, irrational thought process, with 51 seconds and the ball at the 1 yard line we spike the ball, utter stupidity, Gibbs reacts to any pressure situation when the clock is an issue like a deer in headlights, someone tell me why we don't have a specific play already set for situations just like that where you have a set play, you know like when there is a bad snap on a field goal every one knows what to do, hey how bout a QB sneak? A little risque for Gibbs possibly, no we spike it and burn a down, reason? So we can have 25 seconds on the clock to run our final play, as usual Gibbs has no concept of clock management. Gibbs explanation you ask? We wanted to get his heavy jumbo package on the field, sounds like a great reason to just piss 1 down away but OK, then he proceeds to throw to a player he should have handed the ball to, he wants heavy jumbo and then throws it?????????? OK, but lets not give up on the jumbo just yet, now I don't think it would have made a difference with either Portis or Betts running the ball there neither one of them would run over a linebacker let alone a DL, but I know someone who would yes you guessed it Mike Sellars, for the record has anyone every seen this guy stopped at the line of scrimmage let alone fail us on 3rd or 4th and less than a yard, because if he did I can't remember, he was just plowing through everyone on short yardage last week, I am sure Gibbs must have film some where of him not going forward, OK we decide to run Betts up the middle it fails, but it happens, then with the entire Giants defense on the LOS we run off tackle forcing Betts to run 3 times the distance to the goal line against the entire Giants defense just waiting for the run, 1 hand off to Sellars and it's a tie game end of story.

But I wouldn't get to worked up, you see if we had tied the game we were going to be treated to the same old scared to run a play Gibbs as we saw the second half, I had no feeling at all that we would win that game in OT unless Eli fell down on his own in the end zone for a safety.

Some might say what about the previous games, well Gibbs pretty much did the same thing against the Eagles, before the first half he had half the kicking team on and half the offensive team on and that's how he made his decision to kick it, lucky for us Andy Reed was calling TO to allow Gibbs time to straighten out the mess that was about to implode. Yes our defense was able to hang in there the first 2 weeks and hold off the opposition, well when you tell your defense the offense is going to stay in the locker room at half time, you have a 14 point lead that should be enough just hold them, well they could get tired and a little ticked that they are fighting their gut's out while Gibbs has the offense on the side line relaxing and sipping lemonade.

I am sorry to say Joe, the players may be fighting there guts out and leaving it on the field but you sure ain't! Funny Gibbs kept reiterating that we are all together, I can't help thinking how much Gibbs is starting to mirror Lt Comdr. Philip Francis Queeg, no we wont have a Caine mutiny on our hands, but players have to be thinking it!
__________________
offiss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 03:36 PM   #41
Registered User
 
offiss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ]
Age: 50
Posts: 3,097
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack View Post
Shows what you know. Clearly, what this team is lacking is a statue of liberty, double reverse, hook 'n ladder, option pass from the one. Damn that conservative run the ball approach!

No one ever wins with a predictable playcall. You never go to your strength, always go for the surprise.

<<He's going to go all the way, unless Blackwood can catch him...>>

I would have done exactly what the Redskins did except with different players. Portis for Betts mainly. And the route that Sellers ran, I'd have run a route where he's already in the endzone when the ball is thrown. Not where he has to catch it and run in
Even after those plays failed you would still run them? And you would substitute a smaller back in Portis for Betts to run over people? and then you would run a slant off tackle with a stacked D-line waiting for it? Nice!!!!!!
offiss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 03:39 PM   #42
The Starter
 
warriorzpath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,672
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

First thing that comes to mind with the sequence at the end for me was: preparation. I love Gibbs to death, just like all of you - but it was his responsibility to have this team prepared in situations like this.

To me, questioning the plays called and the players' execution at the end takes a backseat to Gibbs' responsiblity to prepare this team. For a veteran (not to mention hall-of-famer) coach, this should be a major strength, not a weakness.

If Gibbs hasn't started to already, he needs to go over and prepare these situations in practice. This is what seperates great teams from lesser ones.
warriorzpath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 04:25 PM   #43
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 42
Posts: 84,986
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

blah blah blah

That's pretty much all I'm hearing lately
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 04:30 PM   #44
Swearinger
 
GMScud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Age: 36
Posts: 12,623
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!! We were 5-11 last year people! When did this sense of entitlement begin?? Sure we let one get away yesterday that we should have won, but we're 2-1!!!!!
__________________
Insert witty signature here
GMScud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 04:39 PM   #45
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 45,105
Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by offiss View Post
Even after those plays failed you would still run them? And you would substitute a smaller back in Portis for Betts to run over people? and then you would run a slant off tackle with a stacked D-line waiting for it? Nice!!!!!!
I don't think that just because a play doesn't work once you never go back to it again. I also don't believe that Betts 2 pound advantage over Portis is worth sitting CP on the bench for.
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.41608 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25