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Old 09-28-2007, 03:41 AM   #16
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I was gonna echo ur thoughts on that one. It seems to me like Herm Edwards seems to be the problem in KC (along with Willie Roaf and Will Shields retiring). Those changes have impacted LJ's game negatively in a very substantial way. Plus i think Herm's jet's squads have always been underachieving for the talent that they've had. He seems like someone who can make a team good but not great (more of a coordinator type in my mind). I think LJ and LT, who also had a similar tiff with Phillip Rivers last week, are just frustrated and are voicing their opinions. The difference is that LT is doing it in a more polished way and not airing his dirty laundry out to the media. I also think that LT had the benefit of Marty ball that helped him break those records last year and rack up stats in previous years. Don't get me wrong i think he is a great player and probably the best active RB in the league BUT i think he is overrated in that sportswriters already crowned him as the greatest RB ever before his career was over. There are many factors that can dip a guys production down (other than his own skill set) and I think losing some key members of the coaching staff is the one that is affecting LT right now. Only time will tell if both these RB's can prove that they can have sustained success in this league. Only then can they be mentioned with the Walter Paytons, Jim Browns, and the Barry Sanders of this league.
Herm Edwards now has a losing record for his career.
Herman Edwards coaching record - pro-football-reference.com
Whether you think he's good or not, he's here to stay because if he's fired, people will scream racism. To me, he's not a good head coach. He's no Tony Dungy, or Lovie SMith, or even Marvin Lewis, but people think he is, so he'll be around for a while.
I think he should be a defensive coordinator. He could do a team a lot of good.
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I was gonna echo ur thoughts on that one. It seems to me like Herm Edwards seems to be the problem in KC (along with Willie Roaf and Will Shields retiring). Those changes have impacted LJ's game negatively in a very substantial way. Plus i think Herm's jet's squads have always been underachieving for the talent that they've had. He seems like someone who can make a team good but not great (more of a coordinator type in my mind). I think LJ and LT, who also had a similar tiff with Phillip Rivers last week, are just frustrated and are voicing their opinions. The difference is that LT is doing it in a more polished way and not airing his dirty laundry out to the media. I also think that LT had the benefit of Marty ball that helped him break those records last year and rack up stats in previous years. Don't get me wrong i think he is a great player and probably the best active RB in the league BUT i think he is overrated in that sportswriters already crowned him as the greatest RB ever before his career was over. There are many factors that can dip a guys production down (other than his own skill set) and I think losing some key members of the coaching staff is the one that is affecting LT right now. Only time will tell if both these RB's can prove that they can have sustained success in this league. Only then can they be mentioned with the Walter Paytons, Jim Browns, and the Barry Sanders of this league.
The problem is KC is the average to below average QB, bad offensive line and terrible NFL wr's. Not Herm Edwards. I think Herm is a solid NFL HC. He has the respect from his players and I think he is well respected around the NFL. Herm is not an X and O guy. What he does is manage his people and let the OC and DC do their jobs.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:50 PM   #18
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Herm Edwards now has a losing record for his career.
Herman Edwards coaching record - pro-football-reference.com
Whether you think he's good or not, he's here to stay because if he's fired, people will scream racism. To me, he's not a good head coach. He's no Tony Dungy, or Lovie SMith, or even Marvin Lewis, but people think he is, so he'll be around for a while.
I think he should be a defensive coordinator. He could do a team a lot of good.
I do not think that is true. People didn't cry racism when Denny Green was fired, when Art Shell was fired, etc.

In any event, I don't know how good he is, but he's dealing with a lot of issues. KC's offense used to rely on its O-line and QB. Trent Green is gone, Damon Huard isn't some stud, and Brodie Croyle is raw. KC's O-line is a shadow of what it used to be.
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Herm Edwards now has a losing record for his career.
Herman Edwards coaching record - pro-football-reference.com
Whether you think he's good or not, he's here to stay because if he's fired, people will scream racism. To me, he's not a good head coach. He's no Tony Dungy, or Lovie SMith, or even Marvin Lewis, but people think he is, so he'll be around for a while.
I think he should be a defensive coordinator. He could do a team a lot of good.

And why is that?

Almost every topic you've discussed this past couple of weeks alluded to race as an issue. It's time to clean up your act dude because it's getting repetitive, boring, tiring and quite frankly makes you look like a jackass.
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I do not think that is true. People didn't cry racism when Denny Green was fired, when Art Shell was fired, etc.

In any event, I don't know how good he is, but he's dealing with a lot of issues. KC's offense used to rely on its O-line and QB. Trent Green is gone, Damon Huard isn't some stud, and Brodie Croyle is raw. KC's O-line is a shadow of what it used to be.
But they did. When Dennis Green was fired in Minnesota that was a huge issue (it wasn't in Arizona, I'll agree with you there).
How about when Dungy was fired in Tampa?
People still think Edwards is a good head coach, so he'll get the racism cry like Green did when he was fired in Minnesota.
Art Shell part 1 got a HUGE cry for it. Art Shell part 2, not so much.

Yes, Edwards is dealing with a lot of issues...he dealt with a lot of issues in NY too.
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And why is that?

Almost every topic you've discussed this past couple of weeks alluded to race as an issues. It's time to clean up your act dude because it's getting repetitive, boring, tiring and quite frankly makes you look like a jackass.
Let's see, I've brought up fantasy stud/ duds, fantasy kickers, an apology thread, plus a slew of others, but I mentioned racism in direct relation to someone else bringing up racism in another thread, I said it was NOT racism, then said if you want to see racism look no further than the NBA (all in the same topic / thread). Then I mention it here as a reality (think it's not a reality, then why does the NFL have a minority hiring program) and you say I've alluded to race in "every topic you've discussed". It's been EXACTLY 2, and I only brought it up in one...this one.
So maybe it is you...DUDE...that needs to clean up your act and stop trying to attack people before you know what is actually going on. I understand race is a sensitive issue, and in no way were my comments in mallace. So I expect an apology for your remarks, and a little more respect from you for attacking before know what is going on. I understand you are young, but there are plenty of other young men (and women) on this site that pay more attention and use proper judgement and display respect for others without a biased exaggeration.

(also, I have over 5000 posts on this site, and have made a discussion about racism in exactly 2 threads...grow up)
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Certainly there will be people that would cry racism, that's unavoidable. But if he were to be fired, any sane person would know that his race would have no bearing on his dismissal. His fate will be determined by his team's performance on the field, not the color of his skin.

Right now I don't know who could win in KC. Their line has fallen apart in the past two years. Their #1 WR, Eddie Kennison, is on the downward slope on his career. Dwayne Bowe isn't ready to be the guy yet. Larry Johnson is an enigma wrapped in a riddle on a plate of mystery. The time he spent holding out probably helped him recover from the ridiculous number of carries he had last year but at the same time holding out means he's not in football shape. At least he doesn't appear to be right now. Brodie Croyle is allegedly their future at QB, but he looked awful from what I saw of him this preseason. And Damon Huard? I mean, what can you say about Huard?

And that's just the issues on offense.

It's not a good time to be a Chiefs fan.
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Certainly there will be people that would cry racism, that's unavoidable. But if he were to be fired, any sane person would know that his race would have no bearing on his dismissal. His fate will be determined by his team's performance on the field, not the color of his skin.

Right now I don't know who could win in KC. Their line has fallen apart in the past two years. Their #1 WR, Eddie Kennison, is on the downward slope on his career. Dwayne Bowe isn't ready to be the guy yet. Larry Johnson is an enigma wrapped in a riddle on a plate of mystery. The time he spent holding out probably helped him recover from the ridiculous number of carries he had last year but at the same time holding out means he's not in football shape. At least he doesn't appear to be right now. Brodie Croyle is allegedly their future at QB, but he looked awful from what I saw of him this preseason. And Damon Huard? I mean, what can you say about Huard?

And that's just the issues on offense.

It's not a good time to be a Chiefs fan.
I absolutely agree with you. Edwards will be fired (cause let's face it, all coaches are the scapegoats for their team's performance) and people will see it as unjustified due to his "weapons". I agree race will have no bearing on his dismissal. I would hope in this day and age, no one would get fired due to race.
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1. I'm 28...I'm not exactly spring chicken.
2. Racism isn't something to be trivialized and you're making a mockery of it.
3. The minority program in the NFL is intended to prevent racism in the hiring practice of the NFL that prevailed for so long. They don't give people head coaching jobs just because they're black.
4. It isn't about the quantity of your post, it's about quality.
5. Respect is earned. As it stands you're at par.
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1. I'm 28...I'm not exactly spring chicken.
Very true, I thought you were younger, my apology, although I said for you to grow up, which does not refer to age.

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2. Racism isn't something to be trivialized and you're making a mockery of it.
You are wrong here. I have not once made a mockery of it. That might be your opinion, but you are wrong in that opinion. I take racism VERY seriously.

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3. The minority program in the NFL is intended to prevent racism in the hiring practice of the NFL that prevailed for so long. They don't give people head coaching jobs just because they're black.
Not sure where this is coming from, I agree with the comment. I am referring to the fact that PEOPLE will complain about Edwards being fired, not the NFL.

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4. It isn't about the quantity of your post, it's about quality.
Fact is, I showed you the error of your ways, and then you insult all my posts? There have been VERY few posts about racism, all posts in exactly 2 threads even though you said it was in EVERY thread. You are wrong sir. Dead wrong. You owe an apology, and I don't appreciate your undertones.

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5. Respect is earned. As it stands you're at par.
Right back at you. My suggestion to you is to stop seeing things that aren't there. You want to make a big deal out of nothing and you are causing trouble. Stop it.
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Everyone settle down. As always, no one wants to see people get personal with one another and, for better or for worse, no one cares who "started it."
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He didn't but he has a pattern of speaking too frankly with the press and acting like a spoiled brat. Problems with the house, should stay in house IMO.
Yup- wasn't it Vermeil that told him to take his diaper off ? To imply that he was being a baby and stop whining.

Vermeil is emotional himself (remember when he cried like a baby in front of the media), but Vermeil seems to work through pressure and adversity well. Larry Johnson is not strong enough yet to handle tough times and gets frustrated easily. Sometimes adversity is presented to you, to make you stronger - he needs to keep this in mind and remember the old saying - What doesn't kill you...
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