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Old 10-02-2007, 10:57 AM   #31
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Re: Can the redskins beat the lions without portis and moss

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Every NFL team has injuries. It's not an excuse. Det played w/out Calvin Johnson last week.
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What are you trying to say here? It's not an excuse for what?
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:13 AM   #32
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Re: Can the redskins beat the lions without portis and moss

definitely glad it's a home game
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:16 AM   #33
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Re: Can the redskins beat the lions without portis and moss

Can they...yes
will they...no
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:21 AM   #34
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Re: Can the redskins beat the lions without portis and moss

by 'breakout game' I mean it in relative terms - 3 touchdowns could be it, or maybe no turnovers while dominating the time of poss.
I don't think it's realistic to hope for 30+ points, but if we can have a game on O significantly better than the philly game, that would be a huge step. Give me 3 long td drives & I'd be happy as our D should be able to manage w/that. Can't keep them on the field like the 2nd half against the g men.
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:26 AM   #35
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Re: Can the redskins beat the lions without portis and moss

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What are you trying to say here? It's not an excuse for what?
It's not an excuse if we lose cause there are teams with injuries that are winning.
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:39 AM   #36
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Re: Can the redskins beat the lions without portis and moss

Of course every team has to deal with injuries but they can get to a point where they are very difficult to overcome. Look at Chicago's D right now.

An injury or two here or there is one thing, but when they start piling up I'm afraid they can be used as a legit excuse.
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:42 AM   #37
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If Moss can't go I think that's a bigger loss than Portis.

Betts is a more than capable backup, but we have some serious question marks at WR behind Randle El. I hope Caldwell is ready to go and can give us some meaningful snaps.
The way Moss has been playing this year though, its hard to see us taking a step backwards on offense because he's out.

I always figured that the offense would get a lot better once he picked it up, but it looks like this could be a very lackluster year for Moss. With Cooley and Randle El out there, we should be alright, but Campbell will struggle this year if he can't find guys open ever.
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:42 AM   #38
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Re: Can the redskins beat the lions without portis and moss

Here is a comforting stat:

The lions lost on the road to philly - badly.
Then they did beat the Bears -- but the bears were missing their ENTIRE SECONDARY and lance briggs.

Kitna may throw some picks this week.. i just hope the right side of the line steps up, maybe that new OL demulling will start over Fabini.
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:57 AM   #39
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Re: Can the redskins beat the lions without portis and moss

Here's a comforting nugget of information:

The Lions are terrible. It took Matt Millen 6 years to build a competant passing game while ignoring the rest of his team. While I'm not willing to say that it is impossible for us to come out on the short end of this, we are the far superior team in this matchup.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:00 PM   #40
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The way Moss has been playing this year though, its hard to see us taking a step backwards on offense because he's out.

I always figured that the offense would get a lot better once he picked it up, but it looks like this could be a very lackluster year for Moss. With Cooley and Randle El out there, we should be alright, but Campbell will struggle this year if he can't find guys open ever.
He's still our homerun hitter and has had catches of 48 yards or more in two of the three games so far. Regardless of his struggles so far he's still on a 1000 yard pace too.

Take him away and all of a sudden teams can put their #1 corner on Randle El. And perhaps the bigger question is who steps in and scares anyone at the #2? Caldwell? Lloyd? Thrash?

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Old 10-02-2007, 12:01 PM   #41
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I think that the right side of the line has played very well with the situation they are in and will get better as he year goes on. I'm not real concerned with Moss and Portis as it seem that both will be OK and the skins site said that Moss could be going in practice on Wednesday. I feel the key to the game is JC finding the open WR and stop hitting short stuff as he did against the Gmen.
I disagree with your line playing very well comment.
Our line is in the crappiest condition it has been in for years...yes ....years...
If they dont get their act together really soon, we will continue to lose winnable games.

What happens to a running team when the line goes down?....hmm.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:02 PM   #42
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Re: Can the redskins beat the lions without portis and moss

no portis or moss? damn thats bad news...i still think we have this game though
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:38 PM   #43
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Re: Can the redskins beat the lions without portis and moss

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Randle El can get deep, but obviously losing Moss would hurt since he's one of the best deep threats in the game today. Also, it would be nice if we could get Cooley more involved with the passing game and less involved with blocking.
Glad someone said it, because I was going to if not. With the injuries to the O-line Cooley is being kept in more to block, and consequently his numbers will decline.

Unfortunately this is the nature of the beast when your offensive line takes hits with the injury bug.

So if Moss dos not play, you might as well say that 2 weapons are neutralized, Moss due to injury and Cooley beacause now he has not our running routes, he is protecting Campbell.

To win this game the Redskins have to have a very effective running attack that consumes the clock and keeps the Lions offense off the field.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:48 PM   #44
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Re: Can the redskins beat the lions without portis and moss

Well, this is sort of blasphemous I suppose, but I agree with you sandtrap. And I think ChiefX alluded to this as well. The key is not going to be can we beat Detroit in a shootout, it's going to be can we control the clock and prevent the Lions from engaging us in a shootout.

That said, I have a feeling the Redskins will come out the gate with a couple of deep plays and then settle things down
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:23 PM   #45
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Re: Can the redskins beat the lions without portis and moss

No Moss means Randle El becomes non-existant. Randle El's big plays this season have come because he is playing opposite of Moss. Without Santana, you have Caldwell, Thrash or McCardell (or perhaps Cooley at the slot) playing, none of which are speedsters like Moss is.

No Portis means more carries for Mike Sellars. While Betts will take a bulk of the carries, you will see more Sellars in on short yardage situations.

While both are important, the Skins have a better chance without Portis than without Moss.

Can the Skins win? Absolutely. The defense is finally going on all cylinders, and will give Kitna and their Receivers fits. As Smootsmack et al. said before me, the key for the Skins offense will be to control the clock, and grind the ball with Betts, Cartwright and Sellars.

If Kevin Jones is finally 100%, he could be the factor. Give the Lions another dimension to their offense.
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