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Old 10-02-2007, 12:45 PM   #16
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Re: Are the redskins gearing up for 5 WR sets?

Lloyd knows he wont see the field unless the guys ahead of him all drop dead, so he's gonna get paid and be on his way out to prove himself elsewhere. Why would he put himself through extra work when he knows he won't see the light of day from his dog house?

It's a damn shame that someone with so much potential has pretty much shiat the bed while here in Washington. I like McCardell and Caldwell for depth, but they are just a very short term fix. I'd like to see the Skins go out and get a bona fide #2, whether via Free Agency or through the draft.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:49 PM   #17
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Is BL on special teams coverage at all? Ive never seen him on kick offs or punt coverage.
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Lloyd knows he wont see the field unless the guys ahead of him all drop dead, so he's gonna get paid and be on his way out to prove himself elsewhere. Why would he put himself through extra work when he knows he won't see the light of day from his dog house?

It's a damn shame that someone with so much potential has pretty much shiat the bed while here in Washington. I like McCardell and Caldwell for depth, but they are just a very short term fix. I'd like to see the Skins go out and get a bona fide #2, whether via Free Agency or through the draft.
We have fast wr's but we need big and fast! Look how hard it is to cover Moss, Owens, Burris,Roy Williams, Etc
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:54 PM   #19
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Lloyd said on Monday that if McCardell can help the Redskins win, then he welcomes the move.

"Whatever we can do to win--that's my motto," Lloyd said. "I'm just focused on this season, this season only, and hopefully everything will work out."
Said Gibbs: "With Brandon, he has been in there on a number of plays, but we just haven't got hooked up on him. As a matter of fact, Chris Cooley only has five catches right now, which is disappointing. "We're hoping that Brandon can be more productive as we go."

New Look At the Wide Receivers

Honestly ever time Llyod says somthing he gives the right answear. I really hope its sincere.

Do you think there is any trade value left for Lloyd
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:03 PM   #20
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Lloyd on the open market...the Skins would have to pay someone to take him off their hands. A case of Schlitz and a can of Beer Nuts is about what he's worth.

His contract is worth way too much for someone to take a "chance" on him. Why trade for him when the league knows damn well that he's gone after the season.
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:08 PM   #21
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Thats insane....no chance at all.
What they should do is have a 2 back set with ARE, Moss and Cooley in all the time.

There are your 5 best ball handlers and it give you the option to run...
Why we haven't seen this is beyond me.
Thats an interesting thought. I think that would be a good formation for this team (Im assuming you are alluding to a wish-bone type of formation).

With Betts and Portis, and sometimes Sellers in there, they could do many versatile misdirection plays, which they seem to love (ie. the counter). And besides that, on passing plays it would be nice to have Betts in there for a check down route and portis in for blocking/play action. Also Portis, though his hands aren't as sure as Betts, is a threat for a first down on little screens and other short passes out of the backfield.

Do many NFL teams utilize this formation? If not how come? If so why don't the Redskins?
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:36 PM   #22
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This why I think it makes sense to go with the spread offense.
1. split Cooley out to get sombody tall as a reciever (mismatched with a linebacker)
2.mismatches all day with cooley, moss,AR, BL, McCardell
3.portis banged up (now power running game)
4. Line Banged up (now power running game)
5. Betts is better in space (you can rotate him in and out)
6.prevent blitzes (if they blitz sombody will be open on a quick slant)
7.get the ball in the hands of the playmakers in space more often.
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This why I think it makes sense to go with the spread offense.
1. split Cooley out to get sombody tall as a reciever (mismatched with a linebacker)
2.mismatches all day with cooley, moss,AR, BL, McCardell
3.portis banged up (now power running game)
4. Line Banged up (now power running game)
5. Betts is better in space (you can rotate him in and out)
6.prevent blitzes (if they blitz sombody will be open on a quick slant)
7.get the ball in the hands of the playmakers in space more often.
This is why it doesn't make sense.

We're missing two starters on the right side and we have a QB with 10 career starts. You can bet teams would tee off with blitzes all day long.
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Old 10-02-2007, 02:46 PM   #24
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This is why it doesn't make sense.

We're missing two starters on the right side and we have a QB with 10 career starts. You can bet teams would tee off with blitzes all day long.
I agree with Matty, you can't put all of that pressure to read Blitzes out of a 5WR set on a young J. Campbell. He will make the wrong read from time to time and kill us. At the same time, our line is too banged up to play "Redskins Football" power running an all.... The Skins need to play to their strengths, which unfortunately right now seems to be low scoring games with few turnovers that keep the opposing team off the field. Running some with a shot deep from time to time.

I am scared this week that the Skins will not be able to keep up with the scoring that Detroit will throw at them. If the Skins don't score 30 points against the Lions, they will lose.
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I agree with Matty, you can't put all of that pressure to read Blitzes out of a 5WR set on a young J. Campbell. He will make the wrong read from time to time and kill us. At the same time, our line is too banged up to play "Redskins Football" power running an all.... The Skins need to play to their strengths, which unfortunately right now seems to be low scoring games with few turnovers that keep the opposing team off the field. Running some with a shot deep from time to time.

I am scared this week that the Skins will not be able to keep up with the scoring that Detroit will throw at them. If the Skins don't score 30 points against the Lions, they will lose.
We will not win a superbowl until the palyers and quarterback can make the reads. So we might as well start implementing it now.

Heck if Appalachian State personel can figure it out .Don't you think our professionals and our coaching can do it?
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:57 PM   #26
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I can't believe we gave up a 2nd and 4rth rounder for that donkey...what a disgrace!!! It's aquisitions like lloyd and archuleta that shows how incompetent are front office can be. Yes, we have made good aquisitions as well (Fletcher, Washington, Are), but we still are searching for answers at the wideout position and will continue to....Lloyd might as well pack up and get the hell out of town. . . . Hail the the Skins, scalp them Lions -GHOLLA
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Why are we so afraid of the blitz? I know Campbell is young, but he is very good at feeling the pressure and making things happen so why not let him develop that trait even more because really the great quarterbacks absolutley kill you if you blitz them too much.
I agree with you. Campbell has shown no problem beating the blitz so far. He's actually gotten outstanding protection since he became the QB, and his decision making is generally outstanding for his age and experience.

He's just got to complete more passes, stop forcing the ball into bad matchups, and do the above especially well on third down.

All that said, Yoder should play on nearly every passing down to help in protection and be a safety valve. Cooley needs to be out in the pattern, and 5 guys running routes with only 5 guys blocking is usually a recipe for disaster. 4 guys in the pattern with 6 guys blocking tends to yield more success.
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This why I think it makes sense to go with the spread offense.
1. split Cooley out to get sombody tall as a reciever (mismatched with a linebacker)
2.mismatches all day with cooley, moss,AR, BL, McCardell
3.portis banged up (now power running game)
4. Line Banged up (now power running game)
5. Betts is better in space (you can rotate him in and out)
6.prevent blitzes (if they blitz sombody will be open on a quick slant)
7.get the ball in the hands of the playmakers in space more often.
Gibbs would never do it. He's too worried about pass protection. Al S. would do it casue that's what he likes to do.

I would at least like to see more 4 wr sets and try running some out of these formations. That would help CP get in space a bit.
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Why are we so afraid of the blitz? I know Campbell is young, but he is very good at feeling the pressure and making things happen so why not let him develop that trait even more because really the great quarterbacks absolutley kill you if you blitz them too much.
If you have five guys in the pass pattern , you cannot pick up the blitz , your qb gets beaten to death . You also lose time of pos. , tire your defence . JC has only 10 starts , he would get killed if we went to the spread ,,, anyone remember Detroit and Atlanta playing us in the 91 playoffs ? As great as W. Moon / J. Kelly were , they always struggled to score pts and sustain drives against the better defences . I know pts can be scored with the spread offence , but I boubt Moss / R El would hold up to the hits that they would take game after game .
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Maybe we can sign another former Redskins receiver

Niners waive WR Taylor Jacobs, re-sign Bryan Gilmore - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
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