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Old 10-02-2007, 07:26 PM   #31
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Re: Are the redskins gearing up for 5 WR sets?

JG loves the max protect, no doubt. And there's something to be said for it, after watching the gints DESTROY the iggles pass protection. And just cast your memory back to the bad ole days of the ole ball coach and his attempts (successful, it seems) to crush the life out of one PATRICK RAMSEY. (All right! A Ramsey thread!) I'm all for expanding the variation of our passing game--we need it!--but there are risks involved.

I heard that Taylor Jacobs got hurt just because that post appeared. He's kinda fragile, you know.
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Old 10-02-2007, 08:06 PM   #32
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Re: Are the redskins gearing up for 5 WR sets?

This guy B-Loyd is starting to piss me off with his lack of production on the field. Hey dude, have some freaking pride in yourself, and catch some passes for your team! Man-up, and help your team win!
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Old 10-02-2007, 08:12 PM   #33
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I guess you haven't been here in the last couple months 4mr, we have all decided that Brandon Lloyd is worthless and should be playing in Canada.
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Old 10-02-2007, 08:24 PM   #34
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I guess you haven't been here in the last couple months 4mr, we have all decided that Brandon Lloyd is worthless and should be playing in Canada.
Thats been decided, but it will never happen.....
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Old 10-02-2007, 10:09 PM   #35
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JG loves the max protect, no doubt. And there's something to be said for it, after watching the gints DESTROY the iggles pass protection. And just cast your memory back to the bad ole days of the ole ball coach and his attempts (successful, it seems) to crush the life out of one PATRICK RAMSEY. (All right! A Ramsey thread!) I'm all for expanding the variation of our passing game--we need it!--but there are risks involved.

I heard that Taylor Jacobs got hurt just because that post appeared. He's kinda fragile, you know.
Teams that run 4 and 5 receiver sets can make it work if the QB gets rid of the ball quickly. That often means 3 step drops with a quick decision to let it fly. Not sure whether Campbell is far enough along in his development to be put in that situation. Short, quick passes haven't exactly been his strength so far.

As for Jacobs, let me remind everyone that Osi Umenyiora was available in the 2nd round of the 2003 draft when the OBC just had to have his Gator boy. Aside from Darrell Jackson, can anyone name a WR or QB of note that Spurrier developed? (And don't say Reche Caldwell).
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Old 10-02-2007, 10:14 PM   #36
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Hey I wasn't advocating using a 5 wr set I merely asked the question why are we so enamored with Max protection. A 4 wr set would be more realistic and I would really just like to see more three wr sets even. Our passing game has not been attacking the middle of the field. Cooley has 5 catches. There is something wrong with that. We don't have a consitent over the middle wideout. The smaller receivers need to be protected and they can't go over the middle all day, but we really need somebody who can. Caldwell and or McCardell will hopefully perform that job although Caldwell is soft, but if one of these guys can open the middle some more from a three or even four wideout set that would be really good for us.
I also like the 3 wr sets . I know some teams get production with 4 wr's , I guess I have seen too many Qb's get hit too often in those offences . Thats just me , I just hope we get some TD's in early and often , with whatever works .
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Re: Are the redskins gearing up for 5 WR sets?

Exactly, whatever gets us into the endzone is fine with me... which means something needs to get changed.
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Re: Are the redskins gearing up for 5 WR sets?

Let's see...

Moss, Randel El, Thrash, McCardell, Lloyd...

I'm only counting 4 receivers there, how are you figuring we can have a 5-WR set?

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Buster - you're forgetting Reche Caldwell. That would be the 5th, and will likely see the field this weekend if Moss can't go.
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:52 PM   #40
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why go to 5 wides are you trying to get JC killed. We barely have two legit WR. LLoyd a bust since day one. KM is probably the 3 best wr and he about 80 yrs old. Caldwell avg at best, thrash is also avg. We have to get Cooley more involved.
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Re: Are the redskins gearing up for 5 WR sets?

The only reason multiple WR sets work for other teams in the passing game is b/c QB's like Brady, Payton, Palmer, and McNabb (in his prime) were so good that if u single covered those WR's they would be easy pickings for them. Due to that respect you would have 4 and maybe even 3 linemen rushing at times and use the extra men to defend. But, JC is clearly not that established and doesnt strike fear in opposing defensive coordinators. They would just blitz us and he wouldn't get rid of the ball in time. The only reason to implement 4/5 WR's sets is if u want to take men out of the box so that u could give Portis some room to run and avoid opponents putting 8 in the box. From that standpoint it might actually be a good idea.

I would like to see the skins use 3 WR sets and open up the passing game. Throw on 1st and 2nd and then mix in the run when we get into a passing rhythm so that Portis could have those longer runs that he is great at busting open.
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Re: Are the redskins gearing up for 5 WR sets?

if we go to 3 wr that way to crazy for Gibbs now. He cant max protect. Heaven forbid we stay in 3 wides and challenge the dfense the whole game.
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Buster - you're forgetting Reche Caldwell. That would be the 5th, and will likely see the field this weekend if Moss can't go.
Re-read my post.
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:40 AM   #44
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Re: Are the redskins gearing up for 5 WR sets?

I haven't read all of the posts but I'll go ahead and make comments...

The answer is NO. For one, JC often misses the open reciever in 3 WR set's. So that would conclude for a young QB reading 4 WR sets wouldn't be feasible. Secondly, we are short 2 starting Offensive and Gibbs likes to max protect. So sending out 5 would get our QB killed most likely.

With that being said, I do have enough trust in the coaches to throw the 4 WR package in their if they see they can execute it. But my guess right now is no.
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:54 AM   #45
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Re: Are the redskins gearing up for 5 WR sets?

I don't know if I'd ever send 5 guys out into the pass pattern at the snap. As good as NFL QBs are at their trades, who can make 5+ accurate reads in less than 4 seconds? Peyton Manning probably could, but who knows if we will ever see someone as good as Manning again?

We should always keep one guy in not only to help the protection, but to give the QB a place to throw at in the event of a pass protection break down. Even if it's just designed to be thrown at his feet. Mix it up. Portis, Yoder, Sellers, even Cooley every once in awhile should be kept in.

I think that Max Protect can be a good strategy if used sparingly, and with the Giants performance against the Eagles, you can see exactly what Gibbs and Co. were thinking. Problem is that you don't want to limit your options too often and make the defenses job easy for them.
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