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If Not Joe, Then Who?

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View Poll Results: If Gibbs Doesn't Return, Who Should Be the Head Coach?
Bill Cowher 60 30.00%
Russ Grimm 45 22.50%
Al Saunders 9 4.50%
Gregg Williams 68 34.00%
Other (tell us who) 18 9.00%
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Old 12-02-2007, 08:49 PM   #31
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Based on the question, I would have to answer Gregg Williams. This was clearly a 5 year plan that they set up in 2004, and we still have to see the final year play out. So you don't want great upheaval in the coaching staff. Promote GW to head coach, promote Blache to defensive coordinator, and let Saunders work with the offense.

But that's only if Gibbs steps aside this offseason. Gibbs is our best option to coach going forward. If he doesn't want to be on the field next year, by promoting Gregg Williams and Blache and leaving the offense in tact, you essentially keep this team the way Gibbs builds it. If Gibbs stays next year, things dont get better, and then he walks away, then I think it's time to clean house as far as the coordinators go.

We haven't been especially good with the coaching this year. Certainly it hasn't been historically bad enough to cost us any games, but the room for improvement is there, and arguably necessary.
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Old 12-02-2007, 08:52 PM   #32
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Williams, of course, better start doing his CURRENT job better. We really aren't that far away on either side of the ball, but our coverage is just too damn soft. For big plays to happen when we play so damn soft the whole entire game is totally inexcusable.
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Old 12-02-2007, 08:54 PM   #33
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I'd be up for g williams so long as saunders agreed to stay on (continuity) will full control of all things offense...(I do not believe that gibbs isn't responsible for a lot of the "sitting on the lead" style of play)...just my opinion.

But I wouldn't cry over cower at all...
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Old 12-02-2007, 08:57 PM   #34
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Cowher's not a good coaching option...he's too tough on his players. The performance of his teams tends to decline as the season progresses. His own QB from his lone super bowl victory really doesn't like the way he coaches. Doubt Campbell would either.

No way in hell that anyone can argue that Cowher is better than Gibbs. That would just be an insane thing to say.
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Based on the question, I would have to answer Gregg Williams. This was clearly a 5 year plan that they set up in 2004, and we still have to see the final year play out. So you don't want great upheaval in the coaching staff. Promote GW to head coach, promote Blache to defensive coordinator, and let Saunders work with the offense.

But that's only if Gibbs steps aside this offseason. Gibbs is our best option to coach going forward. If he doesn't want to be on the field next year, by promoting Gregg Williams and Blache and leaving the offense in tact, you essentially keep this team the way Gibbs builds it. If Gibbs stays next year, things dont get better, and then he walks away, then I think it's time to clean house as far as the coordinators go.

We haven't been especially good with the coaching this year. Certainly it hasn't been historically bad enough to cost us any games, but the room for improvement is there, and arguably necessary.
Technically Blache is the defensive coordinator already.
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Williams, of course, better start doing his CURRENT job better. We really aren't that far away on either side of the ball, but our coverage is just too damn soft. For big plays to happen when we play so damn soft the whole entire game is totally inexcusable.
Unfortunately, Gibbs/Saunders tend to move away from plays/formations that are working, resulting in the flat 2nd half offensive performances that have led to defeat. Buffalo defended the run great all day, and Cooley/Moss were tearing them up. They had no answer for 3 and 4 receiver sets. Somehow, we got away from what was working against this D as soon as we went up 16-5. This has been a recurring theme all season. To hell with balance if the opposing defense demonstrates zero ability to stop a part of our game plan. Keep attacking that weakness until the cows come home.
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Williams, of course, better start doing his CURRENT job better. We really aren't that far away on either side of the ball, but our coverage is just too damn soft. For big plays to happen when we play so damn soft the whole entire game is totally inexcusable.
In my opinion, the defense is doing a pretty decent job. Are they doing enough to compensate for the offense's shortcomings? No. Are they stopping opponents from making plays in some key situations? No. But, they're doing a decent job, particularly when you consider that Sean passed away, Rogers in on IR, and Springs and Smoot have been playing with injuries or missing games.
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In my opinion, the defense is doing a pretty decent job. Are they doing enough to compensate for the offense's shortcomings? No. Are they stopping opponents from making plays in some key situations? No. But, they're doing a decent job, particularly when you consider that Sean passed away, Rogers in on IR, and Springs and Smoot have been playing with injuries or missing games.
I thought they played pretty well today. But his philosophy with his safety play just won't work. It's too easy for a team to hang around when a first down can be had at will. Use the safeties, get them up in the box at times and play football. Playing the way GW wants to play only works when you can eliminate big plays entirely. We only gave up one today, but that was one too many. Play more aggressively and you force more punts and turnovers. Then you can give up a big play every once in awhile and it won't totally cripple your team.

Two big plays, I'm sorry. I forgot how when given every possible defensive advantage, our guys still couldn't defend a deep in route from Josh Reed. It's only, you know, the only place the Bills can go with the football at that point. We can't excuse that. He made bad calls against the Cards and got lucky there, bad calls against Philly the first time, and a great individual play saved us there, gave up huge plays vs. Dallas and Philly (2nd time), and doesn't ever account for the QB in pass coverage.

Gregg Williams may not have a lot of help, but he's doing a bad job, and it's becoming a trend. Either he swallows his pride and makes adjustments or we get someone who can.
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Greg WIlliams is my first choice, he's fiery and I think we need that. I wouldn't be against bringing Grimm back either.
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I thought they played pretty well today. But his philosophy with his safety play just won't work. It's too easy for a team to hang around when a first down can be had at will. Use the safeties, get them up in the box at times and play football. Playing the way GW wants to play only works when you can eliminate big plays entirely. We only gave up one today, but that was one too many. Play more aggressively and you force more punts and turnovers. Then you can give up a big play every once in awhile and it won't totally cripple your team.
I agree. And what was with Buffalo's slot receivers today? They absolutely had their way with us. I don't know if our corner depth is suffering b/c of injuries, but despite holding them to only 17 points, short passes out of the slot, pass rush, and run stop all left a lot to be desired today. But it's hard not give the D a pass today.
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Greg WIlliams is my first choice, he's fiery and I think we need that. I wouldn't be against bringing Grimm back either.
I'm torn on guys like Williams. Disciplinarians can do wonders for teams with talented, but careless players. But, they can also be run out of town on a rail if they start losing. Guys will put up with an a** if the team is winning, but when they fall upon hard times they seem to implode. Williams' last head coaching stint in Buffalo was not very good and, according to some, Williams was hated by many of his players and thought of as an arrogant $@#%. I like the idea of a fiery guy, but I'm not sure that Williams is our man.
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I agree. And what was with Buffalo's slot receivers today? They absolutely had their way with us. I don't know if our corner depth is suffering b/c of injuries, but despite holding them to only 17 points, short passes out of the slot, pass rush, and run stop all left a lot to be desired today. But it's hard not give the D a pass today.
When Sean Taylor was back there, we didn't give up more than maybe a single big play all year.

Okay, so now...you make an adjustment. Bring the safeties up, lets go! You aren't going to stop bad things from happening to your defense. At least try to shut down the opposing offense.
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I would want to see Bill Cower come online, I feel we are a player or two away from having a dominant team with the right kind of motivating coach. I feel Bill can fill that void. He has a great history of finding talent in the draft as well. If not Bill.....well I would rather see Russ Grimm come home than to give either of our coordinators a shot at HC.
im with you warrior..we are in my eyes a dominant reciever and pass rusher away from pay dirt. Jason Campbell is putting up huge numbers but when we get into the red zone we cant score. Yes the line isnt healthy but with Cowher and his smash mouth ways i think we can become a better red zone team. Were only about 20 points away from having 4 more wins compared to 4 of the games we lost. the problem is lack of scoring once in the red zone. a dominant positions reciever....a great pass rusher to help a great secondary..and cowher to help with intensity and red zone scoring..
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When Sean Taylor was back there, we didn't give up more than maybe a single big play all year.

Okay, so now...you make an adjustment. Bring the safeties up, lets go! You aren't going to stop bad things from happening to your defense. At least try to shut down the opposing offense.
I agree. Let 'em pin their ears back. It worked in 2004.
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Overall head coaches who act as GMs haven't had a ton of success in the league. Cowher was never a GM or team prez in Pittsburgh and had a great run there. If ain't broke, why try to fix it? I understand the idea of trying to set higher goals and achieve more, but I think he may be setting himself up for failure if he wants complete control.

Wouldn't it seem a little silly to hire another retired coach with a Super Bowl ring(s) who had never been a personnel man before and expect him to excel in both roles?
GM Scud has identified the biggest problem at Redskin Park. Listen, ever since Synder has purchased the team the one constant at Redskin Park during his tenure is not having a seperate GM from the head coach except when he fired Casserly in the beginning of his tenure. With every other avenue been tried why not give this one a try for once?
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