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Old 12-04-2007, 04:14 PM   #46
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Re: Why Tom Brady is a complete and utter d-bag and the Pats have no class

I was thinking last night while watching the game how stuck up the Patriots seem to be. There are many incidents and I could sit here for an hour at least telling you why they are all about a bunch of punks but I won't because we all know. I know I will continue to root against them the rest of the season and I would love to see pretty much anyone beat them.
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Old 12-04-2007, 04:17 PM   #47
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Let's face it, when they get to the playoffs anything can happen.

Just ask San Diego.
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Old 12-04-2007, 04:24 PM   #48
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No offense...but what is this thread about. The Pats don't have to mention anything about ST after the game. It doesn't offend me.

I don't think any one of us would be complaining about Tom Brady if he was a redskin. The guy is good.
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Old 12-04-2007, 04:28 PM   #49
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A few years ago when the Colts were in pursuit of perfection and they started out 13-0 (eventually losing to the Steelers in the playoffs), I never got the feel that going undefeated was their ultimate goal. You could still tell that Peyton and the others wanted to win a Superbowl no matter what way they did it. If that meant resting players who were injured or not using all of their energy in a game that they are already winning by 28 points then so be it. Similarly, when Peyton was breaking Marino's record there were LOADS of times when he would get down on the goal line in the 4th and sometimes 3rd quarter of a blowout game, run 3 times, and kick a FG. I know this for a fact cuz he was my fantasy QB that year and i was praying many times that he would throw it in while watching the live gametracker. U never got the sense that he was trying to break the record. He was just trying to win the game (and ultimately win a championship).

With Brady and the Pats, you can CLEARLY see that they are doing it for the stats and glory. Brady throws it 50 times a game in a blowout. They leave their starters in way past the point when the game is in reach. That rubs ppl the wrong way. Whether it is the players, other coaches, or fans, people don't like it b/c it cheapens the game that we love PERIOD It is also classless. I think thats the best way to put it (about Belicheat, Brady, and the Pats)...cheap and classless. I also don't see how it can be a "perfect" season when you are caught videotaping and BLATANTLY violating the rules of the game.
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Old 12-04-2007, 05:23 PM   #50
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is it me or do people not notice how to stop brady?okay when they blitz and brought pressure brady was like the go to girl in high school....(always on his back)..then within the last five minutes they just stop blitzing?look if you asked mccallister and rolle could they handle moss and stallworth single coverage while we bring hell fire to brady? they'll say heck yeah..so pittsburgh i think will take them out
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Old 12-04-2007, 05:54 PM   #51
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Bottom line: 12-0. I'd like to be 12-0. I might even be a little arrogant if I was. Stop all the whining. And to bring up Sean Taylor out of the blue would have been weird. The Pats are just playing football. Getting away with what they can (like any other team) and going for stats and records. Big deal. They don't care if opposing fans, like us, appreciate them. THEIR fans love them and that's all that matters. Kinda like us Redskin fans. Everyone at the bar I go to hates us, cause we sing and are usually the largest and loudest group. We don't give a shit what they think. It's all the same crap. I just don't care that much about the Pats and the surrounding drama.
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Old 12-04-2007, 07:01 PM   #52
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They are not even close to the best team ever.
I'm sick of people calling the Patriots, 89 niners, 85 Bears, etc. as the best teams ever. In my opinion the best team/teams ever where the Steelers of the 70's those teams kicked ass and pounded you to a pulp. Nothing compares to those teams and this is coming from one of the biggest Redskins fan!!
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I totally agree, good post. I can't stand the pats at all. Also did you see Rodney Harrison get in coach Billicks face, isn't that a flag?? Taunting anyone!!!!!! I guess that only counts if your London Fletcher and between the hashes. Complete BS
I don't really give a $hit about Rodney Harrison. have repeatedly heard he's a dirty player, cocky, etc. But this is Billick. Does anyone epitomize arrogant and cocky more than Billick? He deserved the Taunt from Harrison, and Harrison deserved the kiss that Billick blew him!

F..k 'em both.
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No offense...but what is this thread about. The Pats don't have to mention anything about ST after the game. It doesn't offend me.

I don't think any one of us would be complaining about Tom Brady if he was a redskin. The guy is good.
I gotta agree with you here. Unless I missed something and Brady was specifically asked about Taylor and chose not to answer, then I don't see what the big deal is.
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Great post.I absolutely hate the Patriots with a passion! I have hated them since 2001. They are arrogant assholes, just like their coach. The refs in last nights game obviously were patriot fans, the gave the game to new england.
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A few years ago when the Colts were in pursuit of perfection and they started out 13-0 (eventually losing to the Steelers in the playoffs), I never got the feel that going undefeated was their ultimate goal. You could still tell that Peyton and the others wanted to win a Superbowl no matter what way they did it. If that meant resting players who were injured or not using all of their energy in a game that they are already winning by 28 points then so be it. Similarly, when Peyton was breaking Marino's record there were LOADS of times when he would get down on the goal line in the 4th and sometimes 3rd quarter of a blowout game, run 3 times, and kick a FG. I know this for a fact cuz he was my fantasy QB that year and i was praying many times that he would throw it in while watching the live gametracker. U never got the sense that he was trying to break the record. He was just trying to win the game (and ultimately win a championship).

With Brady and the Pats, you can CLEARLY see that they are doing it for the stats and glory. Brady throws it 50 times a game in a blowout. They leave their starters in way past the point when the game is in reach. That rubs ppl the wrong way. Whether it is the players, other coaches, or fans, people don't like it b/c it cheapens the game that we love PERIOD It is also classless. I think thats the best way to put it (about Belicheat, Brady, and the Pats)...cheap and classless. I also don't see how it can be a "perfect" season when you are caught videotaping and BLATANTLY violating the rules of the game.
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Old 12-04-2007, 08:37 PM   #57
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Amidst all your ranting, you have all seem to forgotten a number of things.
1. If anyone actually happened to watch the entire game, you will recall that one of the Pats DB’s was tackled during Boller’s hail mary pass at the end of the game, was offensive pass interference called? No. Had Baltimore scored on that play, none of your arguments would have any validity .
2. On the play towards the end of the game, when defensive holding was called on a pass intended for Ben Watson in the endzone, not only was he initially held (I don’t care how subtle it was, it still happened), but he was also clearly bumped in the back before the pass got there.
3. With respect to the refs making calls beneficial to the Pats that turned the game, this happens in the NFL all the time. Recall during the AFC championship game last year (Pats/Colts) when the ref called “face guarding” on Ellis Hobbs in the endzone, which led to a crucial Colts touchdown which turned the game? What about the year before in the Divisional round (Pats/Broncos), when there were multiple questionable defensive pass interference calls against the Pats. I can pinpoint a thousand more, but I am sure it would just bore you. Every team is the victim of bad calls, and the beneficiary of good calls. Its part of the NFL. Deal with it. You just have to make enough plays to overcome it.
4. Lets talk about class for a minute here. Have you heard about the commercial Peyton Manning turned down? Neither have I. The only commercial Brady accepted, he would refuse to do unless his entire O-line was in it as well.
5. I’m sure it was the refs fault, too, when Rex Ryan called a timeout before Brady was stopped on 4th and 1, right?
6. With regard to Brady complaining to the refs in-game, he is the epitome of a competitor, enough said.
7. How did the refs screw up the Pats 52-7 spanking of the Skins earlier in the season? I look forward to reading everyone’s excuses.
8. Everyone on this board would be proud to have Tom Brady as the quarterback of the Skins, and you would defend him in times like this. And you all know it.
9. The Patriots are 12-0. They are the best team in the league, arguably the best in history (especially with the parity of free agency), and everyone outside of New England is having a hard time accepting it. Instead of looking at yourself and your own team, you criticize another to reflect the blame. Instead of saying “What am I doing wrong?” the only thing you are able to do is criticize others. But the matter of fact is the Skins are 5-7 and are most likely going to miss the playoffs. Yet the only group receiving criticism is the best team in the league. Now ask yourself, does this make any sense whatsoever?


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As Saddened, angered, a depressed I felt after hearing about the tragic death of Sean Taylor (may he rest in peace) his name does not belong in this discussion.
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Old 12-04-2007, 08:41 PM   #58
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Are you serious? We are still talking about running up the score?! This is the National Football League, ladies and gentlemen. This is not high school football. They are professionals on the field. IT IS THE DEFENSE'S JOB TO STOP THE OFFENSE! If they can't do it, then let the points keep coming. It is not the offense's responsibility to stop themselves.
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Old 12-05-2007, 01:27 AM   #59
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The gaffney catch was undoubtedly a catch. I think that was one where it looks slightly debatable when slowed down but if you watch it at full speed, there's really no question.

Regarding the safety making contact before the ball arrived: To me (and i haven't watched the replay this morning so maybe i am wrong) I thought the safety was making a play on the ball, in which case incidental contact is ok.

The other point is that the Pats got away with that physical db play for years, now they're undefeated and when a team plays them the way the pats play everyone else, it's called. I don't know, I didn't think that the ball was catchable anyway and I didn't think that needed to be called. My main point is even if it could have gone either way, I think it was pretty shady.
I didnt think it was a catch and I have backup,plus they answered my other question about the penalties,this from profootballtalk.com

The other complaint from Ravens fans is that on Brady's game-winning touchdown pass to Jabar Gaffney with 44 seconds left, Gaffney stepped out of bounds before he had possession. There, the Ravens appear to have a good case.

In 2005, Lions tight end Marcus Pollard caught a pass in the end zone that was ruled a touchdown on the field but overturned on replay because the referee ruled that Pollard had not controlled the ball. That call was later backed up by NFL head ref Mike Pereira, who told then-Lions coach Steve Mariucci that a receiver has to have control, not just have his hands on the ball. Gaffney had his hands on the ball but did not have control when he stepped out of bounds, meaning (to my eyes, anyway) that if the Pollard play was ruled correctly in 2005, the Gaffney play was ruled incorrectly last night.

Of course, thanks to Ravens linebacker Bart Scott going bonkos after Gaffney's touchdown and getting two personal foul penalties, the Patriots would have had first-and-goal at the 2-yard line if Gaffney's touchdown had been overturned. So the Patriots still would have had a very good chance of scoring the game-winning touchdown.
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Old 12-05-2007, 02:44 AM   #60
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I didnt think it was a catch and I have backup,plus they answered my other question about the penalties,this from profootballtalk.com

The other complaint from Ravens fans is that on Brady's game-winning touchdown pass to Jabar Gaffney with 44 seconds left, Gaffney stepped out of bounds before he had possession. There, the Ravens appear to have a good case.

In 2005, Lions tight end Marcus Pollard caught a pass in the end zone that was ruled a touchdown on the field but overturned on replay because the referee ruled that Pollard had not controlled the ball. That call was later backed up by NFL head ref Mike Pereira, who told then-Lions coach Steve Mariucci that a receiver has to have control, not just have his hands on the ball. Gaffney had his hands on the ball but did not have control when he stepped out of bounds, meaning (to my eyes, anyway) that if the Pollard play was ruled correctly in 2005, the Gaffney play was ruled incorrectly last night.

Of course, thanks to Ravens linebacker Bart Scott going bonkos after Gaffney's touchdown and getting two personal foul penalties, the Patriots would have had first-and-goal at the 2-yard line if Gaffney's touchdown had been overturned. So the Patriots still would have had a very good chance of scoring the game-winning touchdown.

It was as plain as day that that was not a catch, no doubt what so ever, I find it sceptical that no one in the booth really jumped on it, and that it took a replay official about 2 seconds to rule it a catch, although I think they score as well because of the penalties that ensued. It seemed to me the NFL is making sure the Pats run the table, which is a shame because their more than capable of doing it without their help. Kind of reminiscent to the job done by the ref's on Seattle in the SB 2 seasons ago.

The fact that Gaffneys catch has not been more emphasized for the fact that a replay official had a perfect look at it and couldn't get it right, and everyone else brushing it aside, because lets face it that was a huge play given the circumstances involved, to me screams fix. Not that the Pats wouldn't or couldn't have done it any way, but they weren't about to take that chance.

Such a quick decision from the replay booth? I don't think they wanted to spend much time raising scepticism and more replays of the catch which would make it more difficult to sweep under the rug.
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