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Old 12-05-2007, 03:38 AM   #16
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more hand guns in houses = more dead children :/.

not everyone is responsible or careful enough for that to ever be a great idea.

I do understand that with all the guns currently out and the fact that an illegal weapons charge means nothing to a murderer that gun control laws don't really work well in practice. And i have nothing against the second amendment, but i did read about wynn's friends playing with a gun when he was a kid (and one of them ended up dead), and a month ago someone i know blew his big toe off playing with a gun in his room, and it's not like those things are isolated incidents. some people are just too accident prone or stupid to be trusted with loaded weapons.
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Old 12-05-2007, 10:08 AM   #17
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I say we hang these guys.
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Old 12-05-2007, 10:22 AM   #18
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Unfortunately, can't fry the shooter if he was under 17 when it took place, per the Supreme Court.

(It matters only the age at which it took place, not the age at sentencing.)

This got John Malvo off the fryer, if you remember.

My wife wondered if maybe the others agreed to say the 17 yr old did it for just that reason.


Don't know FL law about whether or not they have a 'triggerman statute' determining if only the triggerman can be given the Death penalty.

Almost certainly will be LWOP (Life Without Opportunity for Parole) case.

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Old 12-05-2007, 10:33 AM   #19
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At 17 he's no child. I'd imagine it's not too difficult to tell right from wrong at that age. Hopefully he'll be lucky enough to be someones bitch in the pen.
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Old 12-05-2007, 12:10 PM   #20
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Unfortunately, can't fry the shooter if he was under 17 when it took place, per the Supreme Court.

(It matters only the age at which it took place, not the age at sentencing.)

This got John Malvo off the fryer, if you remember.

My wife wondered if maybe the others agreed to say the 17 yr old did it for just that reason.


Don't know FL law about whether or not they have a 'triggerman statute' determining if only the triggerman can be given the Death penalty.

Almost certainly will be LWOP (Life Without Opportunity for Parole) case.

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Spoke to my friend who used to work in the Florida judicial system - even though the others did not pull the trigger they can all be tried for the death penalty (as long as they are over 18 like you said) according to Florida law. My friend went on to say that Reed Rubin is the prosecutor in the case and he is tough as nails and will most likely go full force in getting as long a sentence as possible for all the defendents or death if possible. Also my friend went on to tell me that life in prison in Florida means their entire living years (not like some states where life may mean a certain number of years) and that there will be no possibility of parole for these guys unless the governor grants Clemency which has not happened in Florida I believe ever. Finally the judge who is overseeing the case is a former prosecutor and is not light on criminals per my friends dealings with him - even if this is a trial by jury these guys are in a world of trouble. My friend said the only way one of these guys doesn't get life is if they make a plea deal turning on the others and maybe he would get a lesser sentence like 25-30 years.

Here is an excerpt from USA that states what these guys are facing:
If the suspects are convicted of first-degree murder, all but the juvenile could be handed a death sentence. While he is expected to be charged as an adult, the juvenile would instead face 25 years to life in prison, as Florida law prohibits executing those who were minors at the time of the crime.

Suspects charged with murder in Sean Taylor case - USATODAY.com
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Old 12-05-2007, 01:28 PM   #21
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I'm actually getting a gun because of this. This hasn't necessarily motivated me to get a gun, but just started my train of thought.

I'm moving to College park in less than a month. It's a rather dangerous campus and robberies like this happen all the time. No kids going to stumble upon it, and I'm going to be ridiculously careful.

The fact is, shit like this happens all the time, and if I'm strapped... It won't happen to me.
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Old 12-05-2007, 02:02 PM   #22
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That Douchebag Rivera wants to get a peal deal ... well f#ck him hopefully we burns in his jail cell for life... he wont get one and will become someones bitch for a longtime... fuckin punk bitch
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Old 12-05-2007, 02:57 PM   #23
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No, no. I am sure he will do just fine in prison. After all, there probably isn't anyone from the "U" in the Miami-Dade correctional system that might want to do him harm...
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Old 12-05-2007, 03:23 PM   #24
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I have 3 friends getting guns cus of this.

A gun is an American's Right and Choice and I am not advizing either way. As a non-Active Duty Marine I have a weapon but take it VERY serious. It was made to KILL. Period. Guns are not very serious and I know we have folks on both sides of the fence.

If you use a gun in a crime you should get the MAX of the law. Death or Life...the MAX
Completely agree.
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I'm actually getting a gun because of this. This hasn't necessarily motivated me to get a gun, but just started my train of thought.

I'm moving to College park in less than a month. It's a rather dangerous campus and robberies like this happen all the time. No kids going to stumble upon it, and I'm going to be ridiculously careful.

The fact is, shit like this happens all the time, and if I'm strapped... It won't happen to me.
If you're serious, get training. Spend time at the range. Don't just buy it and carry it.
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more hand guns in houses = more dead children :/.

not everyone is responsible or careful enough for that to ever be a great idea.

I do understand that with all the guns currently out and the fact that an illegal weapons charge means nothing to a murderer that gun control laws don't really work well in practice. And i have nothing against the second amendment, but i did read about wynn's friends playing with a gun when he was a kid (and one of them ended up dead), and a month ago someone i know blew his big toe off playing with a gun in his room, and it's not like those things are isolated incidents. some people are just too accident prone or stupid to be trusted with loaded weapons.
I think those are the important words in that post. You're right, if you don't have the responsibility to handle a weapon responsibly and the intelligence to keep it away from children, do not own a gun. Period.
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Old 12-05-2007, 04:19 PM   #27
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Look if any of you are looking for the death penalty for any of these guys you can forget it. The shooter is 17 and the Supreme Court just ruled that it's Unconstitutional to exucute anyone under 18. The rest of these idiots are not even eligible for the death penalty under Florida law.

My big concern is this. Some of these guys will make it back into society one day and believe you me chances are they will be ten times as worthless and 100 times a bigger threat to the general public. There is no justice in that. This nightmare has no end in sight. Or maybe we can start to change things. We gotta get rid of many of the types of the guns in our society that are most frequently used in violent crimes. Period.

Does it really matter what type of guns are used to kill a person?????????????

Or as Archie Bunker would say "would it make you feel better if they were pushed out of windows!"

The fact is we have laws against murder don't we, yet we still get scum like this who will thumb their nose at the consequences and murder any way, we will never get rid of crime but we can get rid of the criminal, execute their asses and move on. Perhaps the fact that these guys aren't around in 2 years just might help encourage other's not to murder, and if they do they will be dead in a couple of years! Guns are not the problem, the consequences that are supposed to help deter such acts of violence are.
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Old 12-05-2007, 04:25 PM   #28
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more hand guns in houses = more dead children :/.

not everyone is responsible or careful enough for that to ever be a great idea.

I do understand that with all the guns currently out and the fact that an illegal weapons charge means nothing to a murderer that gun control laws don't really work well in practice. And i have nothing against the second amendment, but i did read about wynn's friends playing with a gun when he was a kid (and one of them ended up dead), and a month ago someone i know blew his big toe off playing with a gun in his room, and it's not like those things are isolated incidents. some people are just too accident prone or stupid to be trusted with loaded weapons.

It's to bad Taylor didn't have a gun under his bed rather than a machete, there's a good chance he would be alive today.

Criminals will always find a weopon, the innocent need to be able to defend, and protect themselves, as well as their families from this kind of vermin.
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Old 12-05-2007, 04:53 PM   #29
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more guns equal more killing. its simple math. the second amendment rights will be settled in early 2008 by the supreme court. its something that was needed back in the early days. not so much anymore. i wonder how many gun owners would give up their guns, if it meant saving just one life? i would give up some of my personal enjoyments, if i could save someone from dying
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At 17 he's no child. I'd imagine it's not too difficult to tell right from wrong at that age. Hopefully he'll be lucky enough to be someones bitch in the pen.
i can tell from this that you are a young man. no one at age 17 thinks the same way a mature 25 year old does. think about when you were that age. and your thought process. youth always thinks its never going to get caught, or never going to get hurt. and no, im not defending him. but at 17, he still is a kid
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