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Old 12-05-2007, 06:19 PM   #31
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I think those are the important words in that post. You're right, if you don't have the responsibility to handle a weapon responsibly and the intelligence to keep it away from children, do not own a gun. Period.
For that matter, irresponsible people/children shouldn't be playing with a lot of things: guns, ovens, matches, gasoline, cars, ATVs, motorcycles, knives and probably a thousand other things.

No one is advocating that every breathing moron go arm himself to the teeth, and no one is saying we should add loaded handguns to a child's toybox.

I, for one, was taught from a very young age the four basic rules of firearm safety and they've stuck with me ever since.

Of course I also grew up in a stable household with rational parents...go figure.
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Old 12-05-2007, 06:21 PM   #32
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Sadly, IF Sean had had a gun and shot those men he probably would have gotten into some sort of trouble even with out the earlier plea deal. That's the cold hard truth of this world we live, even if the person is a criminal and they invade your home, somehow shooting them makes you a criminal too.
Would the trouble he'd be in be worse than being dead?
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Old 12-05-2007, 06:23 PM   #33
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more guns equal more killing. its simple math. the second amendment rights will be settled in early 2008 by the supreme court. its something that was needed back in the early days. not so much anymore. i wonder how many gun owners would give up their guns, if it meant saving just one life? i would give up some of my personal enjoyments, if i could save someone from dying
Having a gun has saved MY life. Not having a gun I'd be dead. Plain and simple.

You can look at "is it worth saving a life" from both sides of the coin.
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Old 12-05-2007, 06:25 PM   #34
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Would the trouble he'd be in be worse than being dead?

Uh NO!

I wish he had a gun that night. If Sean had been able to fire a few shot's into the floor when he heard the noises I bet those pussies would have run away and Sean would be alive.
As the old saying goes you don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
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I wish he had installed a better security system and bought 3 or 4 Rottweiler’s to live in the yard.
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Old 12-05-2007, 06:34 PM   #36
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I wish he had installed a better security system and bought 3 or 4 Rottweiler’s to live in the yard.
Well he used to have 4 pitbulls that he got rid of after the whole Vick fiasco because he didn't want people giving him a hard time about it
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Old 12-05-2007, 06:48 PM   #37
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chris sameuls just bought a gun for himself as protection in wake of the sean taylor investigation. Just saw it on Rome Is Burning
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:00 PM   #38
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owning a gun is a right in america.i can't understand why somebody that made the type of money that ST did and had a baby and a mate to protect chose to not pay a few grand for a home security system?we can all look back on the what ifs here,but none of that is gonna bring back sean taylor.
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Well he used to have 4 pitbulls that he got rid of after the whole Vick fiasco because he didn't want people giving him a hard time about it
I didn't know that what a shame. Just another reason to not to like Vick.
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owning a gun is a right in america.i can't understand why somebody that made the type of money that ST did and had a baby and a mate to protect chose to not pay a few grand for a home security system?we can all look back on the what ifs here,but none of that is gonna bring back sean taylor.
He did have one, but I think it wasn't activated that night. I wanna say so his mom and sister could get in and out no problem
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:15 PM   #41
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The death penalty can be asked for in cases where a murder is commited during the course of a felony (ie breaking and entering, grand larceny, rape, etc). Therefore, the blights on humanity that were 18 or over could and should be executed.
The number of liberal pacifists who are against the death penalty always shrinks when someone they know and love is hurt.
It pisses me off even further that these bigoted assholes (Wilbon, Cowturd, etc) that blasted Sean for having a weapon the last time he faced dirt trying to take what was his now say it's his fault for dying. If the state of Florida hadn't told Sean that he couldn't carry a weapon to defend himself they wouldn't have to house these punks now.
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Punish them all

Sorry I made apost in wrong spot
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For that matter, irresponsible people/children shouldn't be playing with a lot of things: guns, ovens, matches, gasoline, cars, ATVs, motorcycles, knives and probably a thousand other things.

No one is advocating that every breathing moron go arm himself to the teeth, and no one is saying we should add loaded handguns to a child's toybox.

I, for one, was taught from a very young age the four basic rules of firearm safety and they've stuck with me ever since.

Of course I also grew up in a stable household with rational parents...go figure.
That was exactly my point...
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Old 12-05-2007, 09:40 PM   #44
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Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor

Yeah the gun leaped out of the idiot's hand and shot Taylor.
It's all the gun's fault! Stupid Steel!

In Wash DC near where I live guns are BANNED, ILLEGAL. So what kills folk? CRIMINALS WITH GUNS against unarmed yet LEGAL folks.

Sorry bro, Stupid ass people kill people with guns or whatever they fund.

A stupid Viginia boy said it best.
"Those who melt theit guns to farm tools will be ruled by those who don't." -Tom Jefferson

Are you telling me that gun made that stupid, illraised kid kick kill Sean Taylor or did that ass kick the door and shoot? Poor kid the republicans made him kill?

~shakes head
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Old 12-06-2007, 03:22 AM   #45
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The number of liberal pacifists who are against the death penalty always shrinks when someone they know and love is hurt.
Liberalism and pacifism shouldn't even enter into it. I'm a believer in both, but I'm also a believer in efficiency, and as Sean Taylor himself proved, multiple second chances *IF* a person can be rehabilitated.

Unfortunately, this doesn't mean much because our "corrections" system isn't designed for rehabilitation, it's designed strictly for incarceration and for easy political grandstanding.

But, like I said, the other side is the efficiency question. I think life sentences are just stupid. If someone's never going to get out of jail, we need to ask the question: will this person produce something, *ANYTHING* over the course of his tenure in prison, that will even come close to matching the cost of his inprisonment?

If not, and if that person's appeals have been exhausted, I think you have to consider the idea of just speeding up nature's due process and saving the state a lot of resources...
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