How Will Collins Peform Down The Stretch???

SouperMeister · 12-07-2007, 09:38 PM

Collins better have a quick release against the G-men with Umenyiora and Strahan breathing down his neck. I fear that he may be in for a long game, but I do hope that we try to exploit NY's weak defensive backfield via the pass.

DynamiteRave · 12-07-2007, 09:40 PM

Collins is gonna take us to the playoffs and then JC is gonna take over and we go to the superbowl.

Hey, dreaming never hurt anyone, right?

squrrelco3 · 12-07-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

As for Collins, I think he'll do ok but we really, really, need the running game to step up.

Considering the horrible job the line's been doing run blocking lately, I just don't see that happening...one of the reasons the running game came alive during the midpoint of the season was the passing game was clikcing at the time causing teams to back off the line...

that's what it's going to take to get the running game going again even with Randy Thomas back...

djnemo65 · 12-07-2007, 11:29 PM

We are going to win out with Collins at the helm. This season has what Bill Simmons would call "Ewing Theory" potential.

MTRedskinsFan · 12-08-2007, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Big Brunell fan, but in two years he just could never grasp the nuances of this offense. Especially not compared to how Collins knows it. So we're better off without him playing.

As for Collins, I think he'll do ok but we really, really, need the running game to step up.

I'm right there w/ you SS. Brunell required a simplification of the Saunders offense AND he is probably less mobile than Collins, which really makes me wonder what some people are getting at when they point at Collins for being slow.

I also noticed TC holding the ball too long but at this point we could easily attribute that to a lack of timing/trust with receivers because they have not worked together all season. I would not be surprised if he comes out very crisp next weekend against NY. If Thomas can get back fully healthy the ground game should start to click more and less pressure put on the QB. I guess part of me is actually happy to see JC get a break here, even if it's for the rest of the season. Kid has been through a shit load this year and I've been worried his head might be swimming a bit. Mostly I'm just glad his injury wasn't MCL/ACL. Whewwwwwwww!!!!

freddyg12 · 12-08-2007, 11:33 AM

After Collins fumbled there was a lot of max protect or extra protection (2 backs in) for Collins. We didn't spread it out w/3 or 4 wr's much if any. Compare that to when JC was in there, and for that matter all season. Buffalo kept bringing an extra man but we kept sending everyone out on patterns. JC got hit a lot in that game.

I expect to see quite a bit of max protect w/2 wr's out in pattern. The g-men corners - Madison & Allen - have played better this year than I thought they could, but given time we'll get open. I think we can frustrate their front 4 & wear out their secondary in the 2nd half.

skinsguy · 12-08-2007, 12:35 PM

I think right now, I'd feel more comfortable with Collins in as QB than MB. However, that could change if Collins stinks it up in the first of our next game. Speaking of max protection, I think we will see more of that and less of a spread offense. With JC in there, he had the mobility to get out of danger and make plays. Not so much with Collins and Brunell. Therefore, look to see more passes to Cooley and Yoder and less to Moss and ARE.

Mattyk · 12-08-2007, 01:57 PM

Positives:
-Besides Saunders he knows this offense better than anyone.
-Because of his knowledge of the offense he tends to get rid of the ball quickly and he seems to have a nice touch and accuracy on his throws

Negatives:
-He's been a career backup for a reason
-Not much mobility
-Not much arm strength

pg86 · 12-09-2007, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Positives:
-Besides Saunders he knows this offense better than anyone.
-Because of his knowledge of the offense he tends to get rid of the ball quickly and he seems to have a nice touch and accuracy on his throws

Negatives:
-He's been a career backup for a reason
-Not much mobility
-Not much arm strength

Those are some huge positives...and yeah sure he's a backup for a reason..but then I think gee I used to say that about jeff garcia until last year!

Redskin Warrior · 12-09-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Positives:
-Besides Saunders he knows this offense better than anyone.
-Because of his knowledge of the offense he tends to get rid of the ball quickly and he seems to have a nice touch and accuracy on his throws

Negatives:
-He's been a career backup for a reason
-Not much mobility
-Not much arm strength

I do feel the lack of arm strength will cause a big problem. JC could get it down field for big gains.

DynamiteRave · 12-09-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

I do feel the lack of arm strength will cause a big problem. JC could get it down field for big gains.

Thats where the WRs have to step it up. They know TC can't hurl it down the field, they gotta get open and when they get the ball, get the dancing feet on and get downfield.

Team effort!

Mattyk · 12-09-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

I do feel the lack of arm strength will cause a big problem. JC could get it down field for big gains.

True, but I'm thinking that Collins could end up being more efficient in the short to intermediate range.

GMScud · 12-09-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

True, but I'm thinking that Collins could end up being more efficient in the short to intermediate range.

I agree. When that offense was clicking in KC they didn't even have a deep threat WR on the roster most of the time and they still steamrolled teams. I know Todd wasn't starting, but my point is the deep pass wasn't a big factor at all and they had a ton of success regardless. They also had an offensive line that was playing as good as any team in football. I think Collins could do well against a very average Giants secondary, provided the O-line steps up. They protected him well on Thursday for the most part, but they've stunk it up pretty bad lately. And the Giants get after the QB like crazy.

Hey, imagine if we win out, make the playoffs, Collins plays amazingly, and when Campbell is healthy for the 1st playoff game we have a full-blown QB controversy??

rscalder · 12-10-2007, 11:17 AM

I'm sure all of us are hoping Thursday's performance of Collins was not all luck. I feel that since he has a great understanding of the offense, he can get the ball out on blitzes because he knows where the ball is suppose to go for hot reads. Do our receivers know? I have a feeling if this offense is not successful next week, it is not just Collins, but maybe a receiver not reading the correct route based on what the defense is giving. I hope all goes well.

firstdown · 12-10-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

I do feel the lack of arm strength will cause a big problem. JC could get it down field for big gains.

Maybe JC could throw the long ball but how long has it been sense he threw a completed long pass.

12-07-2007, 09:38 PM	#16
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 48 Posts: 2,917	Re: How Will Collins Peform Down The Stretch??? Collins better have a quick release against the G-men with Umenyiora and Strahan breathing down his neck. I fear that he may be in for a long game, but I do hope that we try to exploit NY's weak defensive backfield via the pass.

12-07-2007, 09:40 PM	#17
DynamiteRave Franchise Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Age: 26 Posts: 9,811	Re: How Will Collins Peform Down The Stretch??? Collins is gonna take us to the playoffs and then JC is gonna take over and we go to the superbowl. Hey, dreaming never hurt anyone, right? __________________ Establishment, establishment, you always know what's best. I'm a chick, damnit.

12-07-2007, 11:29 PM	#19
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Location: MA Age: 32 Posts: 2,836	Re: How Will Collins Peform Down The Stretch??? We are going to win out with Collins at the helm. This season has what Bill Simmons would call "Ewing Theory" potential.

12-08-2007, 11:33 AM	#21
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: How Will Collins Peform Down The Stretch??? After Collins fumbled there was a lot of max protect or extra protection (2 backs in) for Collins. We didn't spread it out w/3 or 4 wr's much if any. Compare that to when JC was in there, and for that matter all season. Buffalo kept bringing an extra man but we kept sending everyone out on patterns. JC got hit a lot in that game. I expect to see quite a bit of max protect w/2 wr's out in pattern. The g-men corners - Madison & Allen - have played better this year than I thought they could, but given time we'll get open. I think we can frustrate their front 4 & wear out their secondary in the 2nd half.

12-08-2007, 12:35 PM	#22
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,002	Re: How Will Collins Peform Down The Stretch??? I think right now, I'd feel more comfortable with Collins in as QB than MB. However, that could change if Collins stinks it up in the first of our next game. Speaking of max protection, I think we will see more of that and less of a spread offense. With JC in there, he had the mobility to get out of danger and make plays. Not so much with Collins and Brunell. Therefore, look to see more passes to Cooley and Yoder and less to Moss and ARE. __________________ Not the same Skinsguy that posts on ES.

12-08-2007, 01:57 PM	#23
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,751	Re: How Will Collins Peform Down The Stretch??? Positives: -Besides Saunders he knows this offense better than anyone. -Because of his knowledge of the offense he tends to get rid of the ball quickly and he seems to have a nice touch and accuracy on his throws Negatives: -He's been a career backup for a reason -Not much mobility -Not much arm strength __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-10-2007, 11:17 AM	#29
rscalder Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 9	Re: How Will Collins Peform Down The Stretch??? I'm sure all of us are hoping Thursday's performance of Collins was not all luck. I feel that since he has a great understanding of the offense, he can get the ball out on blitzes because he knows where the ball is suppose to go for hot reads. Do our receivers know? I have a feeling if this offense is not successful next week, it is not just Collins, but maybe a receiver not reading the correct route based on what the defense is giving. I hope all goes well.

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