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Old 12-14-2007, 03:52 PM   #151
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the article is very fitting for this thread. good find, Celts.
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Old 12-14-2007, 03:58 PM   #152
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I know your point is that you measure them by super bowl wins, and yes he does have 3 going on 4. However, I don't think it's fair to say that if he has 4 or 5 that makes him a better coach then another coach who only won 2 or 3 super bowls. What it comes down to is I personally choose to penalize him for his 6 years of pre-Brady failures more then most people will. It's just my opinion.

And for the record I am only 36 so I only know the Lombardi legend from NFL Fils and books having never lived through the era...IMO the best coaches ever in my life are Bill Walsh, Joe Gibbs and Bill Parcels.
For the record, I'm thirty..well, we're about the same age Suffice it to say, I've never seen Lombardi either. But if Super Bowl victories aren't the measure of greatness, then what is? Yes, the ultimate measurement and benchmark for greatness, as far as coaches go, are Super Bowl victories. If not, then what separates Belichick from the Marty Shottenheimer's of the world? We don't mention the coaches who lost four Super Bowls for the Bills and Vikings respectively, but we can rattle off the people who have won a few.

And that's fine to penalize Belichick for his tenure with the Browns, he'll still be a first ballot hall of famer. Like it or not. And his name will be mentioned with Vince Lombardi, like it or not. In the end, no one will ever remember what Belichick did with Cleveland.

I'm willing to bet, the casual fan has no idea he even had a stint with Cleveland. Most think he and Brady dropped out of heaven about 30 seconds behind each other.
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Old 12-15-2007, 01:38 PM   #153
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For the record, I'm thirty..well, we're about the same age Suffice it to say, I've never seen Lombardi either. But if Super Bowl victories aren't the measure of greatness, then what is? Yes, the ultimate measurement and benchmark for greatness, as far as coaches go, are Super Bowl victories. If not, then what separates Belichick from the Marty Shottenheimer's of the world? We don't mention the coaches who lost four Super Bowls for the Bills and Vikings respectively, but we can rattle off the people who have won a few.

And that's fine to penalize Belichick for his tenure with the Browns, he'll still be a first ballot hall of famer. Like it or not. And his name will be mentioned with Vince Lombardi, like it or not. In the end, no one will ever remember what Belichick did with Cleveland.

I'm willing to bet, the casual fan has no idea he even had a stint with Cleveland. Most think he and Brady dropped out of heaven about 30 seconds behind each other.
I guess I am okay with him being mentioned with the best I just don't think he is the single best ever...and I hear some media people starting to make that leap. And your right no one seems to remember Cleveland...it's like he's been cleansed of it which i don't think is right.

My issue was never with him being a good coach...he obviously ranks above all coaches who never won a Super bowl...he's obviously a hall of famer...I just don't think he will ever rank above Walsh or Gibbs in my eyes no matter how many Super Bowls him and Brady manage to win.
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I agree with you that he's a good coach...maybe even very good...I disagree with those who now view him as the greatest coach of all time and some imortal NFL legend.
i have never heard anyone call BB the greatest. Please cite your misinformed talking head. If a TV sports commentator did say that he is stupid.
There is no such thing as greatest of all time at anything except maybe Michael Jordan.
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i have never heard anyone call BB the greatest. Please cite your misinformed talking head. If a TV sports commentator did say that he is stupid.
There is no such thing as greatest of all time at anything except maybe Michael Jordan.
First off, I agree with Defensewins with the first statement; the Patriots have the best team ever, not coach. However I would have to object with your second. Consider Roger Federer in tennis, Gretzky in Hockey, Tiger in golf. Personally I think the greatest coach of all time would be Lombardi.
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First off, I agree with Defensewins with the first statement; the Patriots have the best team ever, not coach. However I would have to object with your second. Consider Roger Federer in tennis, Gretzky in Hockey, Tiger in golf. Personally I think the greatest coach of all time would be Lombardi.
I did say maybe.
I think using words like greatest ever is more opinion than fact.... most of the time. Granted guys like Tiger and Michael Jordan are the exception.
However, I have a hard time saying Lombardi or any NFL coach is the greatest of all time.
The rules of the game and the game itself (schemes & strategy) have changed so drastically over the years. Look at what a difficult time Gibbs had when he came back after just 12 years away from the game. Could you imagine if Lombardi tried to coach a game this next Sunday?

Lombardi is ONE of the greatest of all time. But I think that he died of cancer and the SB trophy is named after him makes him a sentimental favorite. The NFL back in 1954-1967 was not the same game as we have now, salary cap, rules, defenses schemes.
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