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Should Al Saunders return in '08?

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View Poll Results: Should Al Saunders return next year to run the offense?
Yes, continuity is key 101 60.84%
Yes, but only if Gibbs gives him total control 53 31.93%
No, Gibbs should take back control of the offense and be the OC 10 6.02%
No, get another offensive coordinator 2 1.20%
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Old 12-18-2007, 04:34 PM   #16
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Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08?

Someone stated similar philosophies...

However, they are not the same. And even a small difference can mess up the cohesiveness of the offense. If the two are similar yet slighty evolved, then more then likely it'll effect the way the offense will be executed.

For example: There are the Spaniards who live in Spain speak spanish. Then there are the Latin Americans. Even though the Latin America was derived from Spain once a time long ago, the two are totally different identities.

With that said, I do not think Saunders is a good fit in Washington. We've given him 2 years to build and I have yet to see any progress. We have only scored 30 points or more ONCE this season. That is a direct result of the offense that is being executed. Whether it is that the players arent adjusting, execution, preparation. It doesnt matter, I believe we've given him enough time to implement his offense. And there has yet to be any real progress thus far.

I say let him go.

And lets be honest, the only reason why we win game is not because of our explosive offense, it's because our defense puts us in a position to stay in the game.
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:29 PM   #17
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Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08?

I certainly wouldn't want Campbell to start over in another variation of the Gibbs/Coryell offense. I feel that we are very close to being an outstanding offense. Saunders version of that offensive system has been prolific in KC and St Louis - let's give it a full chance to work here.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:18 PM   #18
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Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08?

Saunders system works. Let him have complete control of the offense. Don't even give Joe Gibbs a headset. Let Saunders call the plays, 2 pt, 1 pt, 4th down, etc calls. This dudes offenses have been on top of the NFL many years for a reason.

We gotta take the shackles off Campbell, and work on our redzone offense, along with staying aggressive. I hate seeing us take a 3 point league and act like we have the game wrapped up.

Im not saying Gibbs keeps us from doing that, we don't know. If it's all on Al, then fine, but I want to know.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:23 PM   #19
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Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08?

I think Al needs to come back, but only if Gibbs stops riding his back. (If he is doing so). We see that the team is capable of amazing things if they open up the playbook. JC will be starting on his 2 year of starting, its time to let the reins off JC and off the playbook and see what we're really capable of.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:35 PM   #20
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Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08?

I am surprised a majority of people said yes. Thank you for seeing the light. Yes continuity is the key.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:42 PM   #21
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Saunders system works. Let him have complete control of the offense. Don't even give Joe Gibbs a headset. Let Saunders call the plays, 2 pt, 1 pt, 4th down, etc calls. This dudes offenses have been on top of the NFL many years for a reason.

We gotta take the shackles off Campbell, and work on our redzone offense, along with staying aggressive. I hate seeing us take a 3 point league and act like we have the game wrapped up.

Im not saying Gibbs keeps us from doing that, we don't know. If it's all on Al, then fine, but I want to know.
LOL!!!! I gotta say you made my ass crack up. Gibbs w/out a headset! But the thing is I agree w/ you 100%. Al knows what he's doing and Joe just needs to get out of the way with his jumbo packages. There is a time for that jumbo stuff, like Sun. night. But I don't think we're going to go into Minn. and run them over. They have a very strong front 7. We had better spread them out and try to throw on these guys. They stink against the pass.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:49 PM   #22
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Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08?

I think Saunders should return, but Williams needs to go. IF Gibbs stays on the sidelines he needs to give TOTAL offensive control to Saunders. Gibbs would obviously create the overall gameplan and handle the critical coaching decisions but all offensive playcalling needs to be with Saunders. Give a guy all the rope he asks for and he'll either be successful or hang himself.

GWs defense has done fairly well statistically, but the second half breakdowns game after game are a major concern and show a major coaching flaw. The stat they showed in the game Sunday night was that Gibbs 1.0 was 2nd best in the NFL in protecting 2nd half leads from 1982-92 (Richie Petitbone). Gibbs 2.0 was either the worst or 2nd worst in the same stat since 2004 (GW). Gibbs' offensive philosopy hasn't changed dramatically, Gibbs 1.0 was constantly criticized for being "too conservative" also. So IMO this is primarily a D-Coordinator issue. What this indicates is good preparation going into the game but the ability to "think on your feet" and make in-game adjustments is poor. We need to make sure our defense is strong, and makes good halftime adjustments because in late Nov. & December in the NFC East the elements can limit an offense severely and the D must carry us.

The D-Coordinator I would like to see is Ron Rivera. He had extremely successful defenses in Chicago from 2004-2006 and you see how they're doing this year without him. He's currently a LB coach in San Diego so their wouldn't be any problem with him taking the D-Coordinator job.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:53 PM   #23
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Now Williams needs to go?

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Old 12-18-2007, 07:00 PM   #24
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Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08?

I also think that it is time we get rid of Williams. I would definitely love to bring in Rivera to replace him since he used to run that cover-2 sceme in Chicago. Saunders should definitely return but only given full control. If I was Saunders I would say if I come back I need to run this offense by myself and get the personnel needed to run his system.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:33 PM   #25
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Now Williams needs to go?

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Old 12-18-2007, 07:48 PM   #26
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Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08?

Wasn't this past year the first year that Campbell had the same coordinator consecutively? Let's maintain continuity for his sake and see what he can do.
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Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08?

Williams has been the only constant this team has had for 20 years. He had one down spot, but besides one year, his defense has done amazing things.
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:19 PM   #28
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Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08?

I think Jason needs stability with one system.
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Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08?

I voted form him to go but I am on the fence here. I like Gibbs in a CEO role which is more what he has become this season. I don't want to see him become the OC again but I think the offense is more effecient scaled back. I am in favor of run 15 plays but run them to perfection. IMO, Saunders offense causes everyone to overthink and not just play.
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Williams has been the only constant this team has had for 20 years. He had one down spot, but besides one year, his defense has done amazing things.
2004 was amazing defensively
2005 was in the top 1/3, but didn't create many turnovers, overall good
2006 poor, set NFL record low for turnovers created
2007 average at best. 2nd half of games have been poor defensively. 26th in generating turnovers.

The trend is going down, not up. Obviously after last year there was no where to go but up. We should be seeing consistent improvement or at least a steady level of defensive play in the top 1/3 of the NFL for a guy that is one of the highest paid coordinators. Gibbs has given him whatever he has asked for (Taylor, Rogers, McIntosh, Landry, Archuletta, Fletcher, Carter). Even with injuries and Sean's death, we have at least average talent on the defensive side of the ball.

Tampa's D for a few years was amazing, Ravens D was amazing. Bears D 2005-06 was amazing. Our defense has not been amazing outside of 2004.
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