Was Campbell really ready?

prinzeofmoval · 12-25-2007, 03:39 PM

Okay everybody wants to know the difference between the first few weeks of the season and now. Yes we our red hot but there is a reason.It could be because we're healthy now..heck our offensive line looked like an episode of survivor and the recievers was so banged up we went as far as signing Keenan"wheres my cane"Mccardell and Reche"butterfingers"Caldwell.(which both have been playing good ball as of late).But the reason why is because of leadership.Jason Campbell is a good YOUNG quarterback.After looking at what Todd Collins has done the last 2 1/2 games it goes to show experience and leadership can and will win out.Campbell is a great player dont get me wrong and he will be the star of the franchise at one point but maybe we rushed off to start him because of the disappointing Mark Brunell.Does jason give us a better chance to win then Mark yes.But its clear that Jason wasnt ready to make the full transition since he did cost us a couple of games with untimely turnovers or lack to control a game i.e. the bucs,cowboys,giants,philly and the packers. Seriously each of those games we lost by less then a touchdown.Look as a powerhouse team who each year is a legitimate contender to win it all with the personal and payroll we have we dont have the luxury to burn a season to let a new qb get his sea legs.We expect to win and win now.Collins play as of late showed the cracks we had in offense and that it was a fixable situation.I'm not hopping on the Collins bandwagon and deserting Campbell cause that will be our guy of the future. Also we our healthier now and have a reason to play with the untimely death of saen "Meast" Taylor but heres a couple of points why Collins is the better man.

1)Collins has always been Al Saunders guy.Nobody understands Saunders playbook better because Collins played(not really) for a Kansas City team that Saunders coached so many years.Saunders wanted to start Collins since 05 but was overruled by Gibbs in favor of Brunell.

2)Collins hasnt really played since the late 90's.his only job was to learn the playbook.Image studying for your final exam for ten years....how good would you do?

3)Time without playing helped him also.He never played cause Trent Green never got hurt in kansas city.So know you have a 30 something year old man with the body and health of a 21 year old rookie.Check out his scrambling skills vs minnesota.

So could we have won the last 3 games with Campbell maybe.But with the season we've had we needed a strong shoulder to lean on.So the wisdom and strength of Gibbs,Fletcher and Collins is the reason why we could very well go deep in the playoffs

prinzeofmoval · 12-25-2007, 04:05 PM

yeah i understand that.First im not apart of the lets hop on the Collins and desert Campbell bandwagon.But if Collins was the one to satrt ahead of Brunell and had more success would Campbell even be playing at this point.Nobody knows a Qb better then his O.C. and it was clear Saunders pick from the beginnig was Collins.Now if Collins takes the team deep into the playoffs if not the super bowl(i might be reaching here)Then what should happen next season?Cuase if they start Campbell next year after a good playoff run this year after a couple of bad games or starts he could lose the confidence of his team..i.e. rex grossman

dmek25 · 12-25-2007, 04:09 PM

i really like Campbell as the starter. with that being said, maybe sometimes he is alittle too quick to take the check down. Collins seems more at ease looking down field. and taking some chances

SFREDSKIN · 12-25-2007, 04:14 PM

Look at how the 1972 Dolphins (17-0) handled it.

No one expected what the young team accomplished in 1972. A promising campaign seemingly was lost when starting quarterback Bob Griese went down with a broken leg during just the fifth game of the season. However, the Dolphins rallied behind journeyman Earl Morrall and posted an unprecedented 17-0 record, culminated by a 14-7 victory, Griese's first full game back, over the Washington Redskins in Super Bowl VII.

prinzeofmoval · 12-25-2007, 04:22 PM

yeah he is quick to go for the check down.That makes us predictable and easy to stack the box up..

rypper11 · 12-25-2007, 06:24 PM

I think JC will always have a little Favre in him and that's good and bad. He will always throw picks but hopefully with some more coaching they won't be in the 4th quarter. And I think the check downs are the way that coaches are trying to tame the "riverboat gambler" in him. People complain about the coaches not "letting the handcuffs" off JC, but maybe that is exactly what he needs. He will be in Pro Bowls within the next 3 years, but Collins is the answer for the playoffs.
BTW, I hope Collins comes back next year but not Brunell. Maybe Joey Harrington as a #3? Or Bramlet?

Redskin Warrior · 12-25-2007, 07:55 PM

To be completely honest I can't point out a single week were the o-line was blocking for Campbell like they are for Collins. Don't quote me on this but I believe Collins hasn't been sacked the last two games. Hell, I don't think he was sacked in the Bears game after Campbell went out. Receivers are healthy o-line is blocking great I love Collins but I can't say Campbell couldn't do this either.

That Guy · 12-25-2007, 08:05 PM

campbell is still learning. once collins got in, saunders started calling all kinds of deep plays for some reason... seeing as how that's campbell's strength, it seems odd they didn't give him more of the playbook to work with.

we're really not any healthier now, except for portis and moss (and heyer has gotten better).

That Guy · 12-25-2007, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rypper11

I think JC will always have a little Favre in him and that's good and bad. He will always throw picks but hopefully with some more coaching they won't be in the 4th quarter. And I think the check downs are the way that coaches are trying to tame the "riverboat gambler" in him. People complain about the coaches not "letting the handcuffs" off JC, but maybe that is exactly what he needs. He will be in Pro Bowls within the next 3 years, but Collins is the answer for the playoffs.
BTW, I hope Collins comes back next year but not Brunell. Maybe Joey Harrington as a #3? Or Bramlet?

I NEVER want to be the team with joey on my roster. he tends to breed suck like no one else.

memphisskin · 12-25-2007, 10:09 PM

I think our expectations of JC are waayyy out of wack. Compare him to Jay Cutler, I'll take Campbell even though Madden and everyone else seems to fawn over Cutler. Romo developed in the old school way, sitting behind a veteran for four years and then getting a chance to start. So he's seen more and has a better handle of what it takes to be successful at qb. Jason will be fine, especially once he sees how Collins is handling the offense. I think it'll do wonders for his development, his confidence and his ability to handle the questions.

But to answer the question of this post, he was as ready as he would be. In most of our losses Jason Campbell was not the issue. He's been a problem in a couple of games, but for the most part his play has been a positive.

bertoskins2 · 12-26-2007, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Okay everybody wants to know the difference between the first few weeks of the season and now. Yes we our red hot but there is a reason.It could be because we're healthy now..heck our offensive line looked like an episode of survivor and the recievers was so banged up we went as far as signing Keenan"wheres my cane"Mccardell and Reche"butterfingers"Caldwell.(which both have been playing good ball as of late).But the reason why is because of leadership.Jason Campbell is a good YOUNG quarterback.After looking at what Todd Collins has done the last 2 1/2 games it goes to show experience and leadership can and will win out.Campbell is a great player dont get me wrong and he will be the star of the franchise at one point but maybe we rushed off to start him because of the disappointing Mark Brunell.Does jason give us a better chance to win then Mark yes.But its clear that Jason wasnt ready to make the full transition since he did cost us a couple of games with untimely turnovers or lack to control a game i.e. the bucs,cowboys,giants,philly and the packers. Seriously each of those games we lost by less then a touchdown.Look as a powerhouse team who each year is a legitimate contender to win it all with the personal and payroll we have we dont have the luxury to burn a season to let a new qb get his sea legs.We expect to win and win now.Collins play as of late showed the cracks we had in offense and that it was a fixable situation.I'm not hopping on the Collins bandwagon and deserting Campbell cause that will be our guy of the future. Also we our healthier now and have a reason to play with the untimely death of saen "Meast" Taylor but heres a couple of points why Collins is the better man.

1)Collins has always been Al Saunders guy.Nobody understands Saunders playbook better because Collins played(not really) for a Kansas City team that Saunders coached so many years.Saunders wanted to start Collins since 05 but was overruled by Gibbs in favor of Brunell.

2)Collins hasnt really played since the late 90's.his only job was to learn the playbook.Image studying for your final exam for ten years....how good would you do?

3)Time without playing helped him also.He never played cause Trent Green never got hurt in kansas city.So know you have a 30 something year old man with the body and health of a 21 year old rookie.Check out his scrambling skills vs minnesota.

So could we have won the last 3 games with Campbell maybe.But with the season we've had we needed a strong shoulder to lean on.So the wisdom and strength of Gibbs,Fletcher and Collins is the reason why we could very well go deep in the playoffs

well said
TC - now
JC - needs to learn more

freddyg12 · 12-26-2007, 08:25 AM

Collins is playing well obviously, but he might be getting a bit too much credit for the team's success. Look at all of the deep throws to Moss, they weren't great passes as much as great catches by Moss. And as someone mentioned earlier, the O line has been giving him time. I think the latter is actually simply due to them keeping the backs in to block. They left JC alone back there a lot.

12thMan · 12-26-2007, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memphisskin

I think our expectations of JC are waayyy out of wack. Compare him to Jay Cutler, I'll take Campbell even though Madden and everyone else seems to fawn over Cutler. Romo developed in the old school way, sitting behind a veteran for four years and then getting a chance to start. So he's seen more and has a better handle of what it takes to be successful at qb. Jason will be fine, especially once he sees how Collins is handling the offense. I think it'll do wonders for his development, his confidence and his ability to handle the questions.

But to answer the question of this post, he was as ready as he would be. In most of our losses Jason Campbell was not the issue. He's been a problem in a couple of games, but for the most part his play has been a positive.

I think you're right about JC v. Cutler. Cutler was just horrible on Monday night. And even the games when Jason wasn't doing all that great, he still gave us a chance to win the game down the line. I'll take Jason over all the QBs drafted in his class. I'll go a step further, I'll even take him over Eli Manning.

But to be clear, Jason is never going to be the type of quarterback that Todd Collins is right now. Meaning that, the things that Todd does best, Jason will pick up on and add to his skill set, but he probably won't do them as well as Todd Collins. I do think in time, a very short period of time, he'll improve on his deficiencies.

scafuri27 · 12-26-2007, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Collins is playing well obviously, but he might be getting a bit too much credit for the team's success. Look at all of the deep throws to Moss, they weren't great passes as much as great catches by Moss. And as someone mentioned earlier, the O line has been giving him time. I think the latter is actually simply due to them keeping the backs in to block. They left JC alone back there a lot.

JC could have went 8-25 against the Giants Im sure. I like Campbell this year..besides a few late game interceptions he was becoming more solid as the year progressed. What hurt him was the fact that in games that we had a lead at the half we came out conservative in the 2nd half of games which doesnt make playing with a rythym easy bc we were running the ball 3 times and out quite a bit. Collins has had more freedom to air it out than JC...Collins knowledge of the system definately helps..

Its a very tough decision on who to play If Campbell gets back to 100%..glad i dont have to make the call!

You gotta belive in Gibbs down the stretch this year.. When he went for it 4th and inches on the goaline and we got stuffed in the 1st qtr last sun...I was still fired up because they showed him before the 4th down play and u can see the intensity as he screamed "go for it!!"..

Hog1 · 12-26-2007, 09:34 AM

JC is the future, without reservation.
Todd, however is doing great. Not only is a good game manager, he DOES NOT make catastrophic mistakes, and keeps the team in positiion to make a play. He has good touch putting the ball in tight spots. He waits for the play to develope, rather than go for the check down if nothing immediately is available. I could not ask for more
I would say he is playing at or above his actual expectation.

JC has far superior physical skills. He has pushed the envelope, and way to much tried to force the play, where nothing exists. To often has he tried to play Brett Favre, and killed a critical drive with a catastrophic error that doomed us.
I would say he is playing signifigantly below expectation

I totally expect JC to benefit greatly from watching Todd. You stay with who got you to the dance!

12-25-2007, 03:39 PM	#1
prinzeofmoval Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 432	Was Campbell really ready? Okay everybody wants to know the difference between the first few weeks of the season and now. Yes we our red hot but there is a reason.It could be because we're healthy now..heck our offensive line looked like an episode of survivor and the recievers was so banged up we went as far as signing Keenan"wheres my cane"Mccardell and Reche"butterfingers"Caldwell.(which both have been playing good ball as of late).But the reason why is because of leadership.Jason Campbell is a good YOUNG quarterback.After looking at what Todd Collins has done the last 2 1/2 games it goes to show experience and leadership can and will win out.Campbell is a great player dont get me wrong and he will be the star of the franchise at one point but maybe we rushed off to start him because of the disappointing Mark Brunell.Does jason give us a better chance to win then Mark yes.But its clear that Jason wasnt ready to make the full transition since he did cost us a couple of games with untimely turnovers or lack to control a game i.e. the bucs,cowboys,giants,philly and the packers. Seriously each of those games we lost by less then a touchdown.Look as a powerhouse team who each year is a legitimate contender to win it all with the personal and payroll we have we dont have the luxury to burn a season to let a new qb get his sea legs.We expect to win and win now.Collins play as of late showed the cracks we had in offense and that it was a fixable situation.I'm not hopping on the Collins bandwagon and deserting Campbell cause that will be our guy of the future. Also we our healthier now and have a reason to play with the untimely death of saen "Meast" Taylor but heres a couple of points why Collins is the better man. 1)Collins has always been Al Saunders guy.Nobody understands Saunders playbook better because Collins played(not really) for a Kansas City team that Saunders coached so many years.Saunders wanted to start Collins since 05 but was overruled by Gibbs in favor of Brunell. 2)Collins hasnt really played since the late 90's.his only job was to learn the playbook.Image studying for your final exam for ten years....how good would you do? 3)Time without playing helped him also.He never played cause Trent Green never got hurt in kansas city.So know you have a 30 something year old man with the body and health of a 21 year old rookie.Check out his scrambling skills vs minnesota. So could we have won the last 3 games with Campbell maybe.But with the season we've had we needed a strong shoulder to lean on.So the wisdom and strength of Gibbs,Fletcher and Collins is the reason why we could very well go deep in the playoffs __________________ I laugh at you Colt Brennan haters. You're the same guys who didn't wanna bench Brunell for Campbell. The tables will turn.

12-25-2007, 04:05 PM	#2
prinzeofmoval Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 432	Re: Was Campbell really ready? yeah i understand that.First im not apart of the lets hop on the Collins and desert Campbell bandwagon.But if Collins was the one to satrt ahead of Brunell and had more success would Campbell even be playing at this point.Nobody knows a Qb better then his O.C. and it was clear Saunders pick from the beginnig was Collins.Now if Collins takes the team deep into the playoffs if not the super bowl(i might be reaching here)Then what should happen next season?Cuase if they start Campbell next year after a good playoff run this year after a couple of bad games or starts he could lose the confidence of his team..i.e. rex grossman __________________ I laugh at you Colt Brennan haters. You're the same guys who didn't wanna bench Brunell for Campbell. The tables will turn.

12-25-2007, 04:14 PM	#4
SFREDSKIN Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 6,505	Re: Was Campbell really ready? Look at how the 1972 Dolphins (17-0) handled it. No one expected what the young team accomplished in 1972. A promising campaign seemingly was lost when starting quarterback Bob Griese went down with a broken leg during just the fifth game of the season. However, the Dolphins rallied behind journeyman Earl Morrall and posted an unprecedented 17-0 record, culminated by a 14-7 victory, Griese's first full game back, over the Washington Redskins in Super Bowl VII. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

12-25-2007, 04:22 PM	#5
prinzeofmoval Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 432	Re: Was Campbell really ready? yeah he is quick to go for the check down.That makes us predictable and easy to stack the box up.. __________________ I laugh at you Colt Brennan haters. You're the same guys who didn't wanna bench Brunell for Campbell. The tables will turn.

12-25-2007, 06:24 PM	#6
rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,217	Re: Was Campbell really ready? I think JC will always have a little Favre in him and that's good and bad. He will always throw picks but hopefully with some more coaching they won't be in the 4th quarter. And I think the check downs are the way that coaches are trying to tame the "riverboat gambler" in him. People complain about the coaches not "letting the handcuffs" off JC, but maybe that is exactly what he needs. He will be in Pro Bowls within the next 3 years, but Collins is the answer for the playoffs. BTW, I hope Collins comes back next year but not Brunell. Maybe Joey Harrington as a #3? Or Bramlet? __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

12-25-2007, 04:09 PM	#3
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,442	Re: Was Campbell really ready? i really like Campbell as the starter. with that being said, maybe sometimes he is alittle too quick to take the check down. Collins seems more at ease looking down field. and taking some chances __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

12-25-2007, 08:05 PM	#8
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,624	Re: Was Campbell really ready? campbell is still learning. once collins got in, saunders started calling all kinds of deep plays for some reason... seeing as how that's campbell's strength, it seems odd they didn't give him more of the playbook to work with. we're really not any healthier now, except for portis and moss (and heyer has gotten better). __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

12-25-2007, 10:09 PM	#10
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 41 Posts: 958	Re: Was Campbell really ready? I think our expectations of JC are waayyy out of wack. Compare him to Jay Cutler, I'll take Campbell even though Madden and everyone else seems to fawn over Cutler. Romo developed in the old school way, sitting behind a veteran for four years and then getting a chance to start. So he's seen more and has a better handle of what it takes to be successful at qb. Jason will be fine, especially once he sees how Collins is handling the offense. I think it'll do wonders for his development, his confidence and his ability to handle the questions. But to answer the question of this post, he was as ready as he would be. In most of our losses Jason Campbell was not the issue. He's been a problem in a couple of games, but for the most part his play has been a positive.

12-26-2007, 08:25 AM	#12
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Was Campbell really ready? Collins is playing well obviously, but he might be getting a bit too much credit for the team's success. Look at all of the deep throws to Moss, they weren't great passes as much as great catches by Moss. And as someone mentioned earlier, the O line has been giving him time. I think the latter is actually simply due to them keeping the backs in to block. They left JC alone back there a lot.

12-26-2007, 09:34 AM	#15
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,378	Re: Was Campbell really ready? JC is the future, without reservation. Todd, however is doing great. Not only is a good game manager, he DOES NOT make catastrophic mistakes, and keeps the team in positiion to make a play. He has good touch putting the ball in tight spots. He waits for the play to develope, rather than go for the check down if nothing immediately is available. I could not ask for more I would say he is playing at or above his actual expectation. JC has far superior physical skills. He has pushed the envelope, and way to much tried to force the play, where nothing exists. To often has he tried to play Brett Favre, and killed a critical drive with a catastrophic error that doomed us. I would say he is playing signifigantly below expectation I totally expect JC to benefit greatly from watching Todd. You stay with who got you to the dance! __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

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