Your MVP this year?

Redskins_P · 12-26-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ernham

Wow. Smells like a lot of racist redskins fans. Tod collins has had increidble passing stats and came into the year with the team not even setup for him.

Racist? Where did you get that from?

I think Todd Collins deserves alot of credit for the teams success as of LATE, but if we're talking about the entire season, then I think the offensive MVP is Portis.

The reason why I pick Portis is because he's black.

Oh yeah and he's the 3rd leading rusher in the NFC. He's also one of, if not, the best blocking back in the NFL.

hurrykaine · 12-26-2007, 03:25 PM

Great thread, and extremely tough choice if we're not doing Co-MVPs. If I had to pick one, I'd have to go with Cooley. If I could pick multiple folks, I'd go with:

Offense: Cooley
Defense: Carter (could make a case for Sean Taylor despite his missing a third of the season and the rest of eternity)

Special teams: Doesn't matter - Rock and Suisham have both been solid, but I wouldn't elevate either to MVP status.

Collins doesn't get picked only because he didn't play the first three quarters of the year.

In fairness, this team has had several MVPs. Can anyone honestly say Springs and Smoot haven't played like Pro-Bowlers the last few games? Portis too. Samuels? Montgomery? Fletcher? It is a testament to the team that its hard to single out one person as the MVP.

12thMan · 12-26-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Great thread, and extremely tough choice if we're not doing Co-MVPs. If I had to pick one, I'd have to go with Cooley. If I could pick multiple folks, I'd go with:

Offense: Cooley
Defense: Carter (could make a case for Sean Taylor despite his missing a third of the season and the rest of eternity)

Special teams: Doesn't matter - Rock and Suisham have both been solid, but I wouldn't elevate either to MVP status.

Collins doesn't get picked only because he didn't play the first three quarters of the year.

In fairness, this team has had several MVPs. Can anyone honestly say Springs and Smoot haven't played like Pro-Bowlers the last few games? Portis too. Samuels? Montgomery? Fletcher? It is a testament to the team that its hard to single out one person as the MVP.

I haven't seen two corners bring it like Smoot and Springs late this year. Over the past 3 or 4 games, they're playing as good as any tandem in the league.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 12-26-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ernham

Where did I say that anyone that chooses anyone but Collins is a racist? It's when they list certain players ahead of Collins. It's ridiculous. Average RB (Portis) versus well above average QB that's playing well at the time of the year it matters the most for those fighting for a wild card? Heh. Whatever.

You're right, the numerous white people who voted for guys like Portis hate white people. :smashfrea Paranoid much?

Yes, a guy who has played in 3 of 15 games and played really well in 2 games is unquestionably our team MVP. Todd Collins has undoubtedly played lights out in the limited action he's seen, but to say anyone who puts guys like Portis above Collins is a racist is just dumb.

Now onto serious matters.....I'm not sure that anyone deserves an MVP award. This TEAM has been struggling and winning as a whole. No one really stands out on either side of the ball. I sort of like it that way. In short, I can't think of an MVP.

hurrykaine · 12-26-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I haven't seen two corners bring it like Smoot and Springs late this year. Over the past 3 or 4 games, they're playing as good as any tandem in the league.

Agreed. And Landry has been unbelievable in terms of the number of key plays he has made. Saved the MNF game against Philly early in the year, saved the 4th and 1 against Adrian Peterson and the Vikes when they were gaining momentum, just to name a few.

Redskins_P · 12-26-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ernham

Ever watch ESPN? How is it that Vince" the most overrated player in NFL history" Young is continually protected by the "white" reporters when any football fan knows the guy is complete trash? Ditto for Michael Vick and Mcnuttsack. Are white people racist against white people? Many are, partictularly those in the media, how else do you think things like affirmative action get passed? Because you area certain race does not mean you are not racist. Sorry. That makes zero sense.

No, actually, you make zero cents. Maybe you're the racist??

Redskins_P · 12-26-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ernham

"No" as an absolute should always be followed by a period, never by a comma. I guess they didn't teach you that in the cardboard box you called a school? With the comma, you completely nullify and/or disagree with everything you say afterwards.

LOL, ok buddy. Sorry they didn't teach me that in my cardboard box school.

So here you go. No. Actually you make zero cents.

12thMan · 12-26-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ernham

"No" as an absolute should always be followed by a period, never by a comma. I guess they didn't teach you that in the cardboard box you called a school? With the comma, you completely nullify and/or disagree with everything you say afterwards.

You know, I tried my best to ignore you but you're seriously annoying, you know that? Why in the f*ck would you insert racism into the conversation to begin with? In no way, shape or form could you possibly construe a racist tone to this thread. So my question is why would you go there? We know that racism exists in America and in sports for that matter. But what in the hell did it have to do with Collins being MVP?
Furthermore, how in the hell can you possibly know what most white journalists and white media on ESPN are thinking? Are you privy to their thoughts on the matter?

If you 'aint adding nothing, don't stir the damn pot for no reason!

Redskins_P · 12-26-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

You know, I tried my best to ignore you but you're seriously annoying, you know that? Why in the f*ck would you insert racism into the conversation to begin with? In no way, shape or form could you possibly construe a racist tone to this thread. So my question is why would you go there? We know that racism exists in America and in sports for that matter. But what in the hell did it have to do with Collins being MVP?
Furthermore, how in the hell can you possibly know what most white journalists and white media on ESPN are thinking? Are you privy to their thoughts on the matter?

If you 'aint adding nothing, don't stir the damn pot for no reason!

No doubt. I think he's the racist.

Redskins_P · 12-26-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ernham

Now you missed a comma, the one after "actually". You'll get it sooner or later. And I'll assume that "cents" instead of "sense" was your simian attempts at being funny. You fail.

You know what? That was my bad. I should've known better.

So, are you going to add anything to this conversation or are you here to just stir up some bullshit?

If you think Todd Collins should be the MVP, then just say it. I really don't see the reason why you need to bring up race.

SFREDSKIN · 12-26-2007, 04:40 PM

No clear choice here due to many injuries and players being in and out. If there was a constant on offense it would be Cooley, Portis, Kendall, Samuels and Rabach. On Defense, Fletcher, Springs and Landry. This is the kind of year where every single player including our 2nd and 3rd stringers have contributed. I would vote for the team in general and the awesome job that the coaching staff has done to prepare the players.

Redskins_P · 12-26-2007, 04:41 PM

Who are these bunch of racist people??? What the hell are you smoking??

12thMan · 12-26-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ernham

I didn't insert it. A bunch of racist people did, whom had somehow managed to pencil in an average to below average running back ahead of top ranked QBs as the MVP. Know what MVP stands for, right? Ok. The QB is the most important player on a team. If your QB is playing great he is pretty much defacto your MVP because of the sheer importance of the QB position. Prtis ahead of Collins is so supremely retarded such an arguement could only be supplied by a racist who, even if Tom Brady was their QB, they would find a way to give the creds to some mediocre RB or corner.

Man, whatever. It's really sad on my part that I'm even dignifying this insane discussion...well, it's not a discussion, is it?

We can argue all day long about Portis being average. It's not the first time someone mentioned and it won't be the last. And we can argue all day about Todd Collins being a top ranked QB. But for the sake of getting along, let's just keep it about football.

If Clinton Portis and Todd Collins aren't making this a race issue, then how about we follow suit? Deal?

Redskins_P · 12-26-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ernham

I didn't insert it. A bunch of racist people did, whom had somehow managed to pencil in an average to below average running back ahead of top ranked QBs as the MVP.

So you're saying that Todd Collins is a top ranked QB? Really? How the hell did you come up with that one? He's played in 3 games....how the **** is he considered a top ranked QB?

scafuri27 · 12-26-2007, 04:53 PM

Todd Collins in not the MVP after 3 games!!!!!

For the year it has to be Portis..hes helped pass protect with a mixed up O-line..rushed for almost 1200 yards..and has played just as inspired football during the Collins era as TC himself...

Just to put Collins accomplishments into persepective...the rest of the team has just played better over the last few weeks..

Shawn Springs over the same span has 3 interceptions 14 tackles and has been all over the field..the team is just hot right now..

JC had 3 game spans that trumped what Collins ahs done stistically...Collins has been absolutely great but no where near MVP status.

12-26-2007, 03:25 PM	#32
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 39 Posts: 762	Re: Your MVP this year? Great thread, and extremely tough choice if we're not doing Co-MVPs. If I had to pick one, I'd have to go with Cooley. If I could pick multiple folks, I'd go with: Offense: Cooley Defense: Carter (could make a case for Sean Taylor despite his missing a third of the season and the rest of eternity) Special teams: Doesn't matter - Rock and Suisham have both been solid, but I wouldn't elevate either to MVP status. Collins doesn't get picked only because he didn't play the first three quarters of the year. In fairness, this team has had several MVPs. Can anyone honestly say Springs and Smoot haven't played like Pro-Bowlers the last few games? Portis too. Samuels? Montgomery? Fletcher? It is a testament to the team that its hard to single out one person as the MVP.

12-26-2007, 04:40 PM	#41
SFREDSKIN Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 6,501	Re: Your MVP this year? No clear choice here due to many injuries and players being in and out. If there was a constant on offense it would be Cooley, Portis, Kendall, Samuels and Rabach. On Defense, Fletcher, Springs and Landry. This is the kind of year where every single player including our 2nd and 3rd stringers have contributed. I would vote for the team in general and the awesome job that the coaching staff has done to prepare the players. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

12-26-2007, 04:41 PM	#42
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sterling, VA Age: 34 Posts: 4,065	Re: Your MVP this year? Who are these bunch of racist people??? What the hell are you smoking??

12-26-2007, 04:53 PM	#45
scafuri27 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Agawam, Massachusetts Posts: 132	Re: Your MVP this year? Todd Collins in not the MVP after 3 games!!!!! For the year it has to be Portis..hes helped pass protect with a mixed up O-line..rushed for almost 1200 yards..and has played just as inspired football during the Collins era as TC himself... Just to put Collins accomplishments into persepective...the rest of the team has just played better over the last few weeks.. Shawn Springs over the same span has 3 interceptions 14 tackles and has been all over the field..the team is just hot right now.. JC had 3 game spans that trumped what Collins ahs done stistically...Collins has been absolutely great but no where near MVP status. __________________ The 8th rule of fight club is..If this is your first night at FIGHT CLUB, you HAVE to fight.

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