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Old 08-10-2004, 02:19 AM   #16
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I'm not panicking myself - though the loss of Jon Jansen is a very sad development. We still have a chance to make the playoffs and I am hopeful we can do that, one way or another.

The blindside protection is not an issue of extreme importance perhaps, but it is a factor. The bigger factor is that our offensive line is very likely going to be less efficient. We will run and pass block less well. Clinton Portis' impact will be diminished. We are going to need a quarterback to be mobile more so than before Jansen's injury. And I am concerned that Brunell may not be able to run around as much as he may be forced to.

That is part of the reason why I think Tim Hasselbeck may be our best bet for this season.

Would Joe Gibbs have gone to Jacksonville to sign Mark Brunell if he knew that Jansen would be gone this year with no time to replace him through the draft, trades, or free agency?

Is Brunell built at this point to be running around all the time, or did Gibbs envision a comfortable situation with Jansen taking away the left defensive end?

It's not panicking to say that Hasselbeck may be our best bet. As I said, I think he has excellent skills and provides an intangible spark and fire that seems to energize our team.
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Old 08-10-2004, 02:45 AM   #17
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tim played 3rd stringers, its not like he'd do that well against a true 1st string D I'd say claiming him as the starter is quite a stretch from part of one game against a super crappy bunch of defensive players. Tim is a REALLY good 3rd string QB, but last year showed that he's a drop off from what ramsey can offer, and i don't think that's changed much.
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Old 08-10-2004, 03:07 AM   #18
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With Jansen out Im gonna see Kearse in my nightmares tonight
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Old 08-10-2004, 07:24 AM   #19
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Another thing that concerned me while watching the game was our run defense. Seemed like Quentin Griffin was running all over us. Also, I don't think pass-rush hasn't improved any from last year. I hope our D-line performs better as time goes on.
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Old 08-10-2004, 07:40 AM   #20
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I thought our D line did better but we bit on all those rollouts and they got wide open passed off to the flat. We need to stay home and play. Granted I didnt even see staples of our D such as LaVar plating
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Old 08-10-2004, 07:59 AM   #21
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The only thing we should be worried about is the loss of Jansen. That is just devastating as every team in the East has a very good left defensive end. Must find a replacement for him this week and get them into camp!!!

Yes the offense sucked, but remember....don't expect miracles as Gibbs started 0-5 in his first season!!! It will come, probably quicker than the first go around.

I was particularly impressed by the discipline of the team. A few penalties here and there but certainly more disciplined than the last 5 years!
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Old 08-10-2004, 08:23 AM   #22
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I can't believe the stuff I am seeing here on a REDSKIN fan site!!

"Extremely disappointed"

"Hasselbeck should be the starter"

"Can't take this"

many, many, many more. What's up with you guys??!!?? C'mon, have a little FAITH!!! And try to realize, this is the FIRST PRESEASON GAME OF 5... Jeez. If this were the 4th of 5, then I could see it. Don't panic, they've just STARTED practicing, have a long way to go, a lot more rust to get off, and a LOT more plays to add. They never even had an entire first string in (at least the guys like Taylor that will be first string when the season opens.) Relax, be patient,
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I couldn't agree more.

The thing about the preseason is you can't get too high or too low. There's a reason why these games DON'T COUNT.

Before we hit the panic button let's remember some key things:

The team has been in camp for a little over a week, to expect them to come out firing on all cylinders is ridiculous and very unrealistic.

Add in the fact this is a completely new staff, new system and a bunch of new players, and you have to expect a period of adjustment. A week of practice isn't going to cut it. It might be 4 or 5 games into the season before we really start to see them playing the way they are capable, maybe more. So let's not panic after one meaningless preseason game.

The offensive and defensive schemes right now are bare bones, basic stuff.

Yes they looked sloppy, but that's honestly what I expected. If you expected anything else your expectations are way too high.
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Old 08-10-2004, 08:48 AM   #23
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Let's look at this preseason game as a drawing board. We know Coach Gibbs takes these games seriously. Not just because it showcases new talent, but because it allows us to see how fast or slow the QB's comprehend his gameplan. If Ramsey wants the starting position, he will have to get rid of the ball quicker and throw the ball away if there are no open receivers. His performance was a mirror of some of his games last. Brunell looked lethargic and didn't have the zip on the ball that I've seen in Jacksonville. Hasselbeck was of course the most spirited and accurate in his passing. Overall, there wasn't any fire or energy geared up by Ramsey or Brunell like they want the starting position.

My predictions of the first cuts, based on this game are:

Jimoh- CB
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Mike Sellers-RB
Cartwright-RB ( I know I like him too, but he fumbled last year against Carolina).

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Old 08-10-2004, 09:29 AM   #24
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Sunra, If they do make some cuts this week, then I could not disagree, except for Sellers. I missed a bit of the game because I was running a draft, but I thought Sellers was dinged. Did he really get enough exposure for an evaluation?

Thanks to a couple of you for adding the voice of reason to all the hysteria. Excellent post, Matty - it really put it in perspective.
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Old 08-10-2004, 09:45 AM   #25
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Ade Jimoh is gone, IMO, but the rest of the guys that were mentioned (Pierce, Sellers, Cartwright) will definitely improve and not be cut right now. I was watching Comcast's pregame show and one of Gibb's former skins was talking about how he put up a donut his first preseason game and thought for sure he was gonna be cut, but they just ragged on him in practice and he eventually got better and performed.
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Old 08-10-2004, 09:48 AM   #26
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Why did the Broncos look more fluid on offense than the Skins? Perhaps because they've been running that system for 10 YEARS in Denver? Meanwhile, we've got a new qb and a new rb learning a new system along with the rest of the offense. Give Gibbs some slack.

And Shane please, I beg of you, please be joking about all this TH as a starter talk. Be joking or be related to the guy. Because I've seen him as a starter before and honestly I was not impressed.
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Old 08-10-2004, 10:43 AM   #27
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hey I dont know if anyone else watched the game but the Broncos (who i keep hearing are superbowl contenders) had just as much trouble as the skins. both teams looked rusty which is okay for the first preseason game.

I watched the game and saw a lot of positives many stated earlier with pressures and turnovers but when it came down to it the team bended but did not break which i was most impressed with.
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Old 08-10-2004, 01:42 PM   #28
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rock and pierce won't be cut after 1 game... no way.
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Old 08-10-2004, 01:50 PM   #29
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I dont know if anyone taped the game or not, but if you did go back and rewatch it. I taped it and I rewatched most of the first half when Brunell/Ramsey played. We really didnt play that bad at all. When all the starters were out of the game it was 3-3. We had some trouble at QB, but thats to be expected. I just dont understand how we can take a single thing from this game. The only things I am taking from this game is that the QB battle is wide open to Ramsey, Hasslebeck and Brunell, Sean Taylor is a Maniac, and Jon Jansen is a huge loss. Outside of that, who really cares. Gibbs said he was approaching this as a scrimmage for cryin out loud. If we play like hell week one vs the Bucs , then I'll start to worry. Until then , I have just as much confidence in tihs team as I did before the game.
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Old 08-10-2004, 02:05 PM   #30
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Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins
I think the REAL reason everyone was a little frustrated with the game tonight is simple... we DID suck on offense BIG TIME for the first 3 quarters... and the Broncos DIDN'T... although both teams have been in camp the same amount of time.
The thing your forgeting is that the Broncos are running the same system they have run for years. All of our guys are trying to learn a nes system to them. Things will get a lot crisper as we go, but don't be surprised if we struggle some throughout preseason. Like the man said Reeeeeeeeeeeeelax.
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