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Old 01-09-2008, 05:18 PM   #16
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Re: Some other ways of looking at Gibbs' Second Stint

i guess all i can say is joe,s legacy remains the same and he has helped this organization understand you need to put some things together with time and less money not more.
joe gibbs was and is the best at pushing the not so talented player to the upmost potential and get the most out of them and i started to see this the last 4 games of the season...now it,s up to synder to take what he has learned hopefully these past 4 years and continue on with the success...time will tell but the gibbs second go round has made us better and now it,s a matter of keeping it together and adding to it....
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Old 01-09-2008, 05:54 PM   #17
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Hey, I think that there is only one way to look at it, Joe took us to the playoffs 2 out of 4 years, period. Furthermore, All the years he was gone we went once.
Great point. Taking it another step, how many combined playoff appearances/wins were made by the other head coaches in the league during that four years. Other than Belichick, Dungy and a few others, they can't hold a candle to Gibbs.

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Old 01-10-2008, 09:50 AM   #18
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I'm not a big numbers guy, but I do find the following somewhat interesting regarding the team's record:

2004-2007 30-34 (1-2 playoffs)

2000-2003 27-37 (no playoffs appearances)

1996-1999 33-30-1 (1-1 playoffs)

Is the team better off as a result of JG's return? From a won-loss perspective I would have to say no. The team won 3 more games in 4 years under Gibbs than they did during the Spurrier/Marty/Turner-Robiskie tenure. Do we consider that record all that much better? From a playoff perspective, yes the team is better off. 2 appearances in 4 years with a playoff win is heading in the right direction, but we as knowledgeable football fans, and passionate Redskin fans should not be satisfied with simply making it to the playoffs. Ownership and the coaching staff and players should not be satisfied with that either. That is setting the bar too low.
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Old 01-10-2008, 10:20 AM   #19
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By looking at estimated wins, and pythagorean wins courtesy of FootballOutsiders.com

Estimated Wins provides a figure that attempts to reevaluate each teams' season in terms of wins, but eliminate factors that the team cannot control.

Pythagorean wins simply looks at the points scored and points against, and determines how many games should have been won if the scores had been spread out over the entire season.

2004: Washington wins 6 games, with 6.8 estimated wins, and 7.1 pythagorean wins

2005: Washington wins 10 games, with 10.4 estimated wins, and 9.9 pythagorean wins

2006: Washington wins 5 games, with 6.8 estimated wins, and 6.1 pythagorean wins

2007: Washington wins 9 games, with 8.3 estimated wins, and 8.7 pythagorean wins

Overall 2nd Gibbs stint: 30 regular season wins, 32.3 estimated wins, and 31.8 pythagorean wins.

If not for luck, Joe Gibbs would have turned two of those 34 regular season losses into wins, effectively giving him a legitimate .500 record in these 4 years.

I don't think that's very bad at all.
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Old 01-11-2008, 12:43 AM   #20
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Re: Some other ways of looking at Gibbs' Second Stint

if we can keep everything besides gibbs in place, i think his stint was good.

if it gets blow'd up or re-arranged for a new coach, it was a waste of time :/.
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Old 01-11-2008, 02:20 PM   #21
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Nice read:

ESPN - Gibbs survived demanding Cooke, proved his mettle under fire - NFL
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Old 01-11-2008, 02:49 PM   #22
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Think it was good. But does anyone else feel like Gibbs quit on us?

I read an article that Monday while visiting family in NC he made a surprise visit to his NASCAR HQ Office. He stopped by at 1 pm to hang out and basically let everyone know he's back to run the team.

I don't know man, just thought after everything they had been through together that there was no way he quits like that. Bet behind closed doors there are some hurt and angry players and coaches.

He owed us one more year. Just my view.
I think that Gibbs has done enough for the franchise, the city, and the fans that he can do whatever the damn hell he wants.

He had always said that NASCAR is his life, and when he was ready to step down from the NFL (again) he was going back to NASCAR. Plus with a new driver (Kyle Busch) and JGR switching to Toyota this is going to be a very important year for his racing team. And he'll be based in North Carolina where he can be with his grandson constantly, which is great for both of them (not to mention his wife, and the rest of the family). Finally, it'll be a significantly lighter load on his day because he's not going to be up all night breaking down game film and trying to plan for the next opponent.

So, no I don't think he "quit" on the team at all.
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I think that Gibbs has done enough for the franchise, the city, and the fans that he can do whatever the damn hell he wants.

He had always said that NASCAR is his life, and when he was ready to step down from the NFL (again) he was going back to NASCAR. Plus with a new driver (Kyle Busch) and JGR switching to Toyota this is going to be a very important year for his racing team. And he'll be based in North Carolina where he can be with his grandson constantly, which is great for both of them (not to mention his wife, and the rest of the family). Finally, it'll be a significantly lighter load on his day because he's not going to be up all night breaking down game film and trying to plan for the next opponent.

So, no I don't think he "quit" on the team at all.
I agree. Just my 2 cents...

He gave us all he had for 4 seasons. I appreciate the fact he was honest with himself and decided to step down rather than come back and not have his heart 110% into it.

I really don't think people understand what an insane grind the NFL is. I'm sure if we spent a week at Redskins Park with Gibbs he would simply wear us out.

When Gibbs came back his plan was to not dive head first into the job again like his first stint here, but before you know it he was sleeping in his office again and grinding away until the wee hours of the morning.

As he's said, the NASCAR team is a big part of his family. I don't see where his involvement in it again should be any sort of signal that he quit on the Redskins.

In fact I'll call it like I see it. Anyone who really thinks that Gibbs may have "quit" on the Redskins, doesn't fully understand what Gibbs is all about.
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Old 01-11-2008, 03:35 PM   #24
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Think it was good. But does anyone else feel like Gibbs quit on us?

I read an article that Monday while visiting family in NC he made a surprise visit to his NASCAR HQ Office. He stopped by at 1 pm to hang out and basically let everyone know he's back to run the team.

I don't know man, just thought after everything they had been through together that there was no way he quits like that. Bet behind closed doors there are some hurt and angry players and coaches.

He owed us one more year. Just my view.
No I don't think he owed us anything. He drafted a very promising young QB, brought in countless quality assistant coaches capable of carrying the load now that he's gone, instilled patience (hopefully lasting patience) in our owner who was previously a maniac, and otherwise assembled a talented young core of players. Because of him, our future has possibilities. It's up to Dan Snyder and whoever he hires as coach to achieve the things Gibbs made possible.

The whole point of bringing Gibbs here was to make the team better. We hoped that would involve a SB. But there's no arguing that we're in better position today than we were at the end of the '03 season. So to Gibbs I say thank you, I'll never forget you, and enjoy your golden years because you deserve great ones.
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In short...Gibbs left the Skins better than he got the Skins. Point blank! Mission accomplished.
I agree that he left the team better than he received it, but to me, mission accomplished would have been a deep playoff/Super Bowl run. If you told me 4 years ago that Gibbs would bring us 1 playoff victory in 4 years, I would have been VERY disappointed.

Looking at the big picture, if Campbell proves to be a franchise QB, we can expect many years of contending well in the NFC with deep runs in the postseason. I believe that Campbell will be Gibbs's greatest contribution of his second go around.
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Joe Gibbs online. Past, present & future. Check it out.

Joe Gibbs Online > COACH RESIGNS FROM REDSKINS: Week of January 10th, 2008
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if we can keep everything besides gibbs in place, i think his stint was good.

if it gets blow'd up or re-arranged for a new coach, it was a waste of time :/.
I'm wearing out my mouse and my browser checking out this site to see if there is any new news.

Gibbs may have taught Danny some patience,but I sure as hell don't have much.
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Old 01-11-2008, 05:10 PM   #28
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my 2 cents are with smootsmack and matty on all counts nascar racing is where his family is and thats the most important to him now..like i said before joe gibbs has given this fan a ton of memories to last a lifetime not to mention that special day in charlotte in 1993 when i met him personally. priceless.so no joe gibbs didn,t quit that title goes to ole ball coach,he,s the one who quit on the skins.thanks a million joe and continued success with your nascar operation and i,ll be there supoorting ya there too..
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Gibbs righted the ship sunk by Snyder and the Ol'Ball Coach!! 4 years later the skins are in great shape!! If we can get over being 23 million oveer the Cap.
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Joe Gibbs online. Past, present & future. Check it out.

Joe Gibbs Online > COACH RESIGNS FROM REDSKINS: Week of January 10th, 2008
Thanks for this. It's still kind of crazy to hear him say he thought the team was going to go all the way. I can't imagine him ever saying anything like that if he was still coaching.

Did you notice how he sort of looked away and said "something's not right about that" when talking about the crowd noise in Seattle? Not to bring up another old topic, but seemed like he was echoing Sellers' sentiments about sound being piped in.
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