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Old 02-20-2008, 04:40 PM   #31
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Good question!!

Springs was mentioned in trade talks w/Denver last year, but I believe he only has 1 yr. left on his deal & at 7mil it isn't that enticing. I hope Springs is back here though.

Of course, last year we debated Betts' value, but I just don't see us getting enough in return for him. I'd also hate to see him go.

There's nobody I want to see traded other than Loyd, which would be a miracle if someone were to bite on. I'm sure there are a few guys we could value for, but I wonder if it would be enough to justify it.

I think the capologists are best to answer this one.
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Re: Do we have anyone we can off-load for Picks.

Outside of Betts, I can't see anyone we could/would deal that would garner much of a pick. We're obviously not going to trade Landry, Campbell, Cooley, Portis, Moss.. Those are probably the only players that we could get anything significant (3rd round or higher) for and they're not going anywhere.
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only one i see us possiable trading is s.moss. because of his vaule ,cap # , and us looking for a more " west coast " wr. we could get an early 2nd this year and alittle something else either a 3rd or 4th this yr or next or a player. the chefs ,falcons ,raiders ,ravens ,bills and 49ers all have top 10 picks in the 2nd rnd and major need of a wr. and atleast one of thouse teams would want a proven comditte over a rookie.the bills have the 71st and 72 pick in the 3rd rnd and proberly would give on of thouse aswell. kcs been trying to dump lb k.bell and atl is trying to move deanglo hall.but of course to get hall it would proberly be moss and are 1st for hall and there 2 -or something to that affect. or the rav giving up t.suggs for moss and are 1st is another possiablity. i just think if where able to move anyone itll be moss. maybe even switching 1st rnd picks with the vikings and getting there 2nd this yr and a 3rd next.moss can be moved because of team needs ,bad free agent market on wr (r moss proberly resign and then theres b berrian and pretty much nobody)and teams getting tired of drafting a wr in the 1st rnd and them turning into bust (exspecally vik and atl). and the wr in this yrs draft class have potental bust written all over them. out of m kelly ,des jackson ,l sweed ,j hardy ,m mangim ,and e doucet (all possiable 1st rnders) ,i see half of them becoming bust. your next rashan woods ,troy edwards ,troy williamson ,charles johnson ,mike williams ,reggie williams ,sinorice moss ,ect .and if the skins really plan on bringing in a west coast wr to possiable be are #1 wr ,we cant have all that money tied up intowr and that many wr on the roster. and cant cut r el or llyod cause it would cost us to much.
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Old 02-20-2008, 07:16 PM   #34
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Re: Do we have anyone we can off-load for Picks.

Redskins should've traded Brunell this past season, I think Atlanta wanted him when they were desperate for a QB after Vick was out.
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Yep it be tough and I wouldn't want to see Moss leave
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:22 PM   #36
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mk... trade betts, griffin, and mcintosh.

betts and mcintosh for the #1 to miami. Ricky Williams wont produce.

#1-#21

use 21 for that FS from Miami, I forget his name right now cause im smacked, but he's what that pick should be used for. use #1 for a CB, or even a WR.

Trade Griffin for an extra 2nd round.... late probably. draft o line from then on out. we still got Khary, Washington, and Fletcher. HB is going to be solid, and if Godfrey stays, we have all the depth we need at LB. We could get that #1 from Parcells for Betts and McIntosh. Everyone says Ladell isn't as productive, but Parcells is a smart guy. He would use Ladell as his work horse, and make the HC develop the offense around his running style. I know that would work, excusing all the cap stuff blazayblah...


Also, if we get a stud CB, we can hang/maim/shoot/trade/lynch Carlos Rogers. He is fast, and I'm sure someone in the league sees potential. Trade him for a pick next year, or some depth at DL.
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:40 PM   #37
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anyone with real trade value is someone you wouldn't want to trade.
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mk... trade betts, griffin, and mcintosh.

betts and mcintosh for the #1 to miami. Ricky Williams wont produce.

#1-#21

use 21 for that FS from Miami, I forget his name right now cause im smacked, but he's what that pick should be used for. use #1 for a CB, or even a WR.

Trade Griffin for an extra 2nd round.... late probably. draft o line from then on out. we still got Khary, Washington, and Fletcher. HB is going to be solid, and if Godfrey stays, we have all the depth we need at LB. We could get that #1 from Parcells for Betts and McIntosh. Everyone says Ladell isn't as productive, but Parcells is a smart guy. He would use Ladell as his work horse, and make the HC develop the offense around his running style. I know that would work, excusing all the cap stuff blazayblah...


Also, if we get a stud CB, we can hang/maim/shoot/trade/lynch Carlos Rogers. He is fast, and I'm sure someone in the league sees potential. Trade him for a pick next year, or some depth at DL.
hoping this isn't serious, but if you threw portis and moss in, those FOUR together wouldn't get you the #1 pick.

but while we're at it, let's trade lloyd for CJ.
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hoping this isn't serious, but if you threw portis and moss in, those FOUR together wouldn't get you the #1 pick.
I think once you get to the point where he says "right now I'm smacked" that's the cue to disregard his entire post.
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Old 02-21-2008, 11:37 AM   #40
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everyone's trade value is lower than their usefulness to us, so the answer is no, not really.

betts was worth a LOT more last offseason after that great second half, but now his value's back down again. The only real value we could get is for campbell, but that'd be pretty bloody stupid.

meanwhile:
patrick ramsey for A.O. (chi DE)... OOPS!
mcintosh for lance briggs (chi LB)... oops.

so, i'd say our ownership overvalues its unproven players a bit too much.
That is exactly why i was lobbying to trade Betts last season while his value was high. and before everyone found out that he can not be a full time back and he as fumble problems.

Now we cant trade for shizzy!
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Old 02-21-2008, 12:01 PM   #41
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Randle El is trade bait. Yea, he is good, but he is grossly overpaid. I think we can do without him, and by trading him that will free up some space for a free agent splash ( Mark my words, we will need one good one this offseason - trust me).

If we were to go after Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerlad, or Moss (if he doesnt want to return), we would need cap room. And not that I am a Gm or anything, but it is illogical in the salary cap era to have so much of yoiur cap allocated to one position (e.g. Detroit). If we kept S. Moss and ARE and then tried to draft a receiver in the 1st or get on via free agency, we would essentially be loking up a hefty percentage of our cap at the WR postion. That will come back to haunt us.

I love ARE, but we can trade him, open up cap space, and get a draft pick in the process. Remember that ARE was part of Gibbs doing, and we need to start undoing some of Joe Gibbs organized chaos.

The real question is what could we get for ARE that we could live with, and in doing so who would you draft with that pick?
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Hahaha.... He's more than smacked, your cookin crack buddy. You need to chill out with that stuff, its nooo good.
Yeah, I was on Percocets too... my bad guys... it's still kinda ok of a post, but my bad. No more bong hits and Percocets. LOLOL
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Randle El is trade bait. Yea, he is good, but he is grossly overpaid. I think we can do without him, and by trading him that will free up some space for a free agent splash ( Mark my words, we will need one good one this offseason - trust me).
100% agree. Randle El just is not worth it period.

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If we were to go after Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerlad, or Moss (if he doesnt want to return), we would need cap room. And not that I am a Gm or anything, but it is illogical in the salary cap era to have so much of yoiur cap allocated to one position (e.g. Detroit). If we kept S. Moss and ARE and then tried to draft a receiver in the 1st or get on via free agency, we would essentially be loking up a hefty percentage of our cap at the WR postion. That will come back to haunt us.
In another thread I pointed out the importance of Roy Williams...6'4", only 26, proven big time WR etc...due to the injury bug, we can get him cheaper than Larry Fitzgerald and Randy Moss. I heard in passing that New England either has or will put the franchise tag on R. Moss...not sure how accurate that is, but it's possible / probable. No matter what, we need to get rid of Randle El before bringing in a top notch WR, or we have to hope that Anthony Mix is ready.

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I love ARE, but we can trade him, open up cap space, and get a draft pick in the process. Remember that ARE was part of Gibbs doing, and we need to start undoing some of Joe Gibbs organized chaos.
I'm not as high on Randle El OTHER than he is a great locker room presence, and is of high character. That's what Gibbs did best, and I for one am glad he did it. He even helped to turn around Sean Taylor. So I am not so sure I want to undo what Gibbs did, I'd prefer to complement it.

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The real question is what could we get for ARE that we could live with, and in doing so who would you draft with that pick?
If Detroit is willing to part (or at least entertain the notion) of Reggie Brown and a 4th for Roy Williams, I don't see how Randle El and maybe a 3rd or 4th wouldn't be possible.
Good post overall though, I think you're on the money.
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Old 02-21-2008, 01:46 PM   #44
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Thanks. Just want the WR position to stop being a c*ck tease ever siince santana had that monster season two years ago.
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:15 PM   #45
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Brandon Lloyd...Somebody.....Anybody.....Please!!

Get back the two picks we gave up for him [one of which was a fourth] and would give us a full compliment for 2008.
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