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Ready for the West Coast?

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View Poll Results: What Unit Is Least Prepared for the West Coast Offense?
Running Back 9 7.14%
Offensive Line 26 20.63%
Quarterback 57 45.24%
Tight End 1 0.79%
Wide Receiver 33 26.19%
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Old 01-30-2008, 10:33 AM   #46
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Re: Ready for the West Coast?

Saunders ran elements of the West Coast offense, so I don't think it will be a big deal for anyone. The biggest change for everyone may be the words. The language of the West Coast offense is extremely verbose. Instead of numbered passing routes they all have names. I know Campbell ran some West Coast at Auburn, but that was probably pretty limited compared to what Zorn will be looking to implement. So, Campbell and his receivers need to get that aspect of things figured out here in the next few months.

Here's an article where West Coast guru Paul Hackett described the verbiage as "tongue twisting". Here's an excerpted quote:

''With this offense, there's so much verbiage, you've got to make it happen,'' Hackett said earlier this season, launching into an example of a typical pass play: ''Wide right, b right, scat 322, y stick, x train. That's what you've got to be able to do.''

PRO FOOTBALL; Jets Take Tongue Twisters Out of Carter's Play Calls - New York Times
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Old 01-30-2008, 11:07 AM   #47
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Re: Ready for the West Coast?

My username has never been more appropriate than in this thread.

Seriously though, I'm probably the most worried about our WRs, simply because I'm was the most worried about them before. It's the whole consistency factor, which it looks like multiple folks have brought up. You can't have inconsistency when you're needing a bunch of short completions.
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Old 01-30-2008, 11:11 AM   #48
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Re: Ready for the West Coast?

At this second, Campbell is the least prepared. Everyone else have routes and assignments that can be quickly learned and executed. Campbell has to know it all. And while I do not doubt that he'll pick it up and be ready to go, I still have to put him under the bus as of 30 January 2008 at 10:12am.
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Old 01-30-2008, 11:40 AM   #49
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Re: Ready for the West Coast?

I voted for QB. I'm not so worried about the intelligence factor in Campbell grasping the system...I'm more concerned with his inability to get rid of the ball quickly and his inaccuracy at short/medium-range passes. If Zorn works with him all offseason, perhaps these concerns will be mitigated by training camp.
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Old 01-30-2008, 11:45 AM   #50
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Re: Ready for the West Coast?

I'm going to go with JC and the QBs. ARE and Moss aren't big guys who like going over the middle and getting wailed on, but they have shown the ability to juke and run after the catching balls within 10 yards of the LOS. I'd like a new #2 WR and to put ARE in the slot and I have reservations about our WRs being able to go through a season relatively injury-free, but I don't think our WR corps is necessarily a glaring weakness even with the switch to the WCO.

I have more reservations about Campbell. Admittedly, Campbell played in a WCO in college, but I'm wondering whether that success translates into the NFL. As many others have noted, JC has a slow release and I wonder whether NFL-caliber DBs, who are both smart and fast, will be picking off JC left and right.
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Old 01-30-2008, 12:17 PM   #51
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Re: Ready for the West Coast?

IF we keep Lloyd, will he actually be able to contribute in the WCO?

(j/k, sort of...)
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:49 PM   #52
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i didnt vote. i despise the west coast offense. its like an instant sleeping pill, if your watching it. 3 yards here. 5 yards there. in my opinion, the worst thing ever happened to football. with that out of the way, i think Campbell ran the west coast his senior year at auburn. so he should be alright
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i didnt vote. i despise the west coast offense. its like an instant sleeping pill, if your watching it. 3 yards here. 5 yards there. in my opinion, the worst thing ever happened to football. with that out of the way, i think Campbell ran the west coast his senior year at auburn. so he should be alright
What you speak of is known as the "unsuccessful" WCO.

That's not what Zorn's bringing with him. I hope.
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Edit like some have pointed out already Jason Campbell has already been in a west coast type offense before so he should do really well.
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Saunders ran elements of the West Coast offense, so I don't think it will be a big deal for anyone. The biggest change for everyone may be the words. The language of the West Coast offense is extremely verbose. Instead of numbered passing routes they all have names. I know Campbell ran some West Coast at Auburn, but that was probably pretty limited compared to what Zorn will be looking to implement. So, Campbell and his receivers need to get that aspect of things figured out here in the next few months.

Here's an article where West Coast guru Paul Hackett described the verbiage as "tongue twisting". Here's an excerpted quote:

''With this offense, there's so much verbiage, you've got to make it happen,'' Hackett said earlier this season, launching into an example of a typical pass play: ''Wide right, b right, scat 322, y stick, x train. That's what you've got to be able to do.''

PRO FOOTBALL; Jets Take Tongue Twisters Out of Carter's Play Calls - New York Times
Lots of verbiage eh? Uh oh...

Jason Campbell's Enunciation - D.C. Sports Bog
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Old 01-31-2008, 12:39 AM   #58
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Re: Ready for the West Coast?

Offensive line..its been apparent that winning teams have defensive and offensive lines
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Old 01-31-2008, 05:43 AM   #59
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Re: Ready for the West Coast?

Sports 2000 Trends - West Coast offense 101

Bill Walsh, discussing the "West Coast Offense" in 1999:

It did not surprise me that four of the six highest-rated quarterbacks of 1998 played in a West Coast-style offense: Randall Cunningham, Steve Young, John Elway and Neil O'Donnell. They excel in it because they are great touch passers, which is key in a passing scheme that relies on the precision of the quarterback's throwing rather than the strength of his arm.


Although the offense will raise the completion percentage of just about any quarterback, some are better suited to running it than others. Joe Montana was a master, and so is Young. I think someone like Ryan Leaf, who is a fine athlete, would excel in the West Coast offense, even though at 6-5, 240 he is a much larger man than Montana or Young.


The size of the quarterback is not as important as his athleticism. Kerry Collins is the same size as Leaf, but I have doubts about his ability to excel in this offense. Mobility is key to West Coast success, and Collins just isn't real mobile. He also isn't what I would call a good 'touch' passer, a requirement in an offense that calls for a lot of short and medium passes.
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