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Old 02-04-2008, 10:39 AM   #61
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Re: Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)

Well it has become clear to me that with the groundwork that Coach Gibbs had laid down for the Skins, we need a young coach who will stay in town for a while and continue to build upon what Gibbs started. I fully support Spags for H.C or a young coach that many of you have never heard of out of Alexandria VA, named Greg Novis.
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Old 02-04-2008, 11:21 AM   #62
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Snyder always wants the flavor of the month. I think the Super Bowl outcome is going to incite Snyder to seriously consider Spagnuolo as HC.

After watching what they did I don't know if I mind so much. Granted much of their pressure on defense is attributed to their personel.

Spag's got to be better pick than Fassel.
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Old 02-04-2008, 11:31 AM   #63
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Snyder always wants the flavor of the month. I think the Super Bowl outcome is going to incite Snyder to seriously consider Spagnuolo as HC.

After watching what they did I don't know if I mind so much. Granted much of their pressure on defense is attributed to their personel.

Spag's got to be better pick than Fassel.
I don't see how Spags is the better option than Fassel for this team.

1. Fassel has experience not only as a head coach but as a head coach in NYC (well technically East Rutherford, but still), and he was successful

2. Fassel has experience developing young QBs, and he was successful

3. While Blache can help Spagnuolo out if he's hired, who will help Zorn out?
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Anyone is a better pick than Fassel to some people. The Fassel hate doesn't make a ton of sense but it is what it is.
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Anyone is a better pick than Fassel to some people. The Fassel hate doesn't make a ton of sense but it is what it is.

A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely because he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?
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A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely because he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?
I can see it now though. Hire an unknown at HC and if he bombs in a few years people are complaining that they should have hired a proven guy with HC experience.
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I can also see it now -- hire either an unknown, unproven HC or a less than enthusing retread, watch either of them go through a tough first year, and let that be the excuse you need to hire the guy you REALLY want in 2009 -- Bill Cowher.
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I can also see it now -- hire either an unknown, unproven HC or a less than enthusing retread, watch either of them go through a tough first year, and let that be the excuse you need to hire the guy you REALLY want in 2009 -- Bill Cowher.
I honestly hope that doesn't happen. I would like to believe that Snyder is beyond making moves along those lines.
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Unless there really a fool proof way to make sure Spag is the real deal, I want Fassel. I know it's been mentioned before but the Giants have a really good set of defense players that can make most coaches look good.

One good thing about Spags is that he pretty much turned the secondary of the Giants around right before playoffs. They were getting torched earlier this year, and because their lineup really hasn't changed you have to give Spags props for that one.
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A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely because he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?
Though admittedly it's a long shot primarily because of his age, I don't see why he doesn't have the potential to be one of the greatest ever. I mean he's accomplished far more than Belichick did when he and the Brown parted ways.

And I don't know what "He was fired by the Giants" has to really do with anything. Coughlin was fired by the Jaguars and just won a Super Bowl, Dungy was fired by the Bucs and won last year. Williams was fired by the Bills, yet people were ready to grab their torches and pitchforks and march down to Snyder's house when the Redskins didn't select him.
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I can see it now though. Hire an unknown at HC and if he bombs in a few years people are complaining that they should have hired a proven guy with HC experience.

There's always that chance but I don't think Fassel has done enough to earn another head coaching job.
He isn't a good coordinator, He took team to the superbowl but he then lost that same team a few years later.

I would risk getting the next spurrier if it means we might get the next jimmy johnson instead of knowing your coach is limited to mediocre success.
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Though admittedly it's a long shot primarily because of his age, I don't see why he doesn't have the potential to be one of the greatest ever. I mean he's accomplished far more than Belichick did when he and the Brown parted ways.

And I don't know what "He was fired by the Giants" has to really do with anything. Coughlin was fired by the Jaguars and just won a Super Bowl, Dungy was fired by the Bucs and won last year. Williams was fired by the Bills, yet people were ready to grab their torches and pitchforks and march down to Snyder's house when the Redskins didn't select him.
As you point out plenty of quality coaches have been fired before. That argument really doesn't hold up with me either.
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FYI, I don't think spags is the answer. The main reason they stopped the patriots is because they have 4 guys on their Defensive line that dominated their counter parts.
They had a few nice blitzes but I would still rather have Gwilliams anyday of the week and twice on sunday!
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A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely because he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?
Plus he lost to the Ravens in the SB with Trent Dilfer at the helm 34-7.
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I can also see it now -- hire either an unknown, unproven HC or a less than enthusing retread, watch either of them go through a tough first year, and let that be the excuse you need to hire the guy you REALLY want in 2009 -- Bill Cowher.
People are making a lot of assumptions that Cowher would want the Redskins job.. If the Panthers job is open next year, which it probably will be outside of a NFC Championship Game run, that's his first choice. Richardson can match Snyder $$ for $$ for a salary and it's closer to home.

Also, Cowher is a Scottenheimer disciple and a close personal friend of his. After seeing what Marty went thru while he was here what makes you think he'll be in a rush to be here.

Not to mention with Cerrato's new title, Cowher is only going somewhere with total control so Snyder would have to demote/fire Vinny. Do you see that happening?
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