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Old 02-04-2008, 11:59 PM   #106
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Yeah, recycled coaches have done wonders for us haven't they? Gibbs has been the only one with any modicum of success, and he just happened to be a Hall of Famer. As for Simms and Elway, they would've been darn good even if I had coached them. As for Danny Kannel and the boys, some teams just get by with smoke and mirrors sometimes, especially in the free agent era.

List of failed recycled coaches over the last 10 few years (note: these guys didn't even sniff the playoffs in their second go round):

Dennis Green
George Seifert
Steve Mariucci (have no earthly idea why we are considering this bum)
Mike Ditka
Dennis Erickson
Dom Capers
Bruce Coslett

P.S. Jim Fassel is pretty much of the same caliber as these guys listed, which is why he'd be a disastrous choice for a franchise looking to build on some recent rare momentum.
Fair enough. I think we can agree that plenty of retread coaches have been very successful, and others not so much.
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Old 02-05-2008, 12:02 AM   #107
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Spag is a good DC but he had a ferocious D-line this season to help him out, he will be a good HC in the future but I dont think he is ready just yet.
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At this point I prefer another offensive mind. I'll take Fossil and get on with it already.
What's wrong with a defensive minded coach? Del Rio, Crennel, Dungy, Belichick, Tomlin, Fisher, Lovie Smith, Wade Phillips (I'll throw him in) are no slouches.
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Fair enough. I think we can agree that plenty of retread coaches have been very successful, and others not so much.
Name me the coaches who have been overwhelmingly successful besides the two coaches we saw last night as well as Tony Dungy? None really jump out at me in recent years.

P.S. Jon Gruden won a Super Bowl with Dungy's team
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dungy wasnt the coach and he couldnt get to the SB with the same players
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What's wrong with a defensive minded coach? Del Rio, Crennel, Dungy, Belichick, Tomlin, Fisher, Lovie Smith, Wade Phillips (I'll throw him in) are no slouches.
I think because of Blache. If not, then sure Meeks or Spags would be a good choice. But then you'd have a rookie HC and a rookie OC (Zorn)
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I think because of Blache. If not, then sure Meeks or Spags would be a good choice. But then you'd have a rookie HC and a rookie OC (Zorn)
I don't think Blache would mind, wasn't he about to retire? I would rather have a hungry rookie HC and OC than Fassel as HC.
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Name me the coaches who have been overwhelmingly successful besides the two coaches we saw last night as well as Tony Dungy? None really jump out at me in recent years.

P.S. Jon Gruden won a Super Bowl with Dungy's team
How about Mike Shanahan, Norv Turner did ok this year (though I still maintain they won in spite of him), Wade Phillips' Cowboys were 13-3 this year (regardless of whether you think it was all because of Jason Garrett, doesn't take away from the fact that Phillips was the coach)
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How about Mike Shanahan, Norv Turner did ok this year (though I still maintain they won in spite of him), Wade Phillips' Cowboys were 13-3 this year (regardless of whether you think it was all because of Jason Garrett, doesn't take away from the fact that Phillips was the coach)
Shanahan is not a recent retread, heck the last Super Bowl he won with Denver was almost ten years ago. As for Norval, he inherited a wealth of talent in SD, and Wade couldn't get the Cowgirls to their first playoff win in over 12 years despite having home-field advantage.
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As for Norval, he inherited a wealth of talent in SD, and Wade couldn't get the Cowgirls to their first playoff win in over 12 years despite home-field advantage.
Give Norval credit he took them further than my favorite retread (Marty) and Wade with the talent on that team.... Same as it ever was.
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Old 02-05-2008, 12:34 AM   #116
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Fine. We're just going to go in circles about this. I think of the four known choices remaining Fassel is the best fit for this team and I think there are enough examples in recent (last two) years, coupled with Fassel's experience and succcess, that say Fassel can do very well as our head coach.

But I understand that he's the anti-flavor of the month
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Fine. We're just going to go in circles about this. I think of the four known choices remaining Fassel is the best fit for this team and I think there are enough examples in recent (last two) years, coupled with Fassel's experience and succcess, that say Fassel can do very well as our head coach.

But I understand that he's the anti-flavor of the month
I think you are being a little unfair. Sure there is plenty to suggest Fassel is a good candidate, but the concerns about hiring a retread coach I think are valid. You may not buy into it, but others aren't convincing themselves of this because Fassel isn't popular. Id argue that Fassel isn't popular because of these concerns. I also think it is legitimate that some are excited at the prospect of a young, vibrant, though unproven, coach. The next HOF coach has to come from somewhere right?

Anyways, I happen to agree that Fassel seems to be the most logical choice because of the strength of his resume and the fact that the coaching staff was seemingly assembled around him. If, however, DS and VC hadn't backed themselves into that corner I'd be more inclined to give a younger prospect a shot. Like most others I thought GW was the best choice, but he apparently didn't see eye to eye with DS so he's gone. Now I feel Fassel will be the best choice, but I am anything but excited about him. I hope that the plan is to bring along Olivadotti to be the future HC; that sounds like a winning formula. A guy brought up in house can have a clear understanding of the team, and a clear vision of what it will take to be successful in the long run.

Anyways I hope that they eventually explain to us WTF went on throughout this process. They have left alot of questions unanswered thus far, and though Im sure it will lack much substance, I think we deserve some clarification.
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Giants | Spagnuolo noncommittal about his future
Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:27:26 -0800

Mike Garafolo, of The Star-Ledger, reports New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo said Monday, Feb. 4, that he plans to wait until after the Super Bowl fallout before making a decision to interview with the Washington Redskins for their vacant head coaching position.


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Redskins | Fassel remains top candidate for head coach
Mon, 4 Feb 2008 18:50:18 -0800

Jason La Canfora, of the Washington Post, reports former Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator Jim Fassel remains the top candidate to become the Washington Redskins' next head coach.
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I think you are being a little unfair. Sure there is plenty to suggest Fassel is a good candidate, but the concerns about hiring a retread coach I think are valid. You may not buy into it, but others aren't convincing themselves of this because Fassel isn't popular. Id argue that Fassel isn't popular because of these concerns. I also think it is legitimate that some are excited at the prospect of a young, vibrant, though unproven, coach. The next HOF coach has to come from somewhere right?

Anyways, I happen to agree that Fassel seems to be the most logical choice because of the strength of his resume and the fact that the coaching staff was seemingly assembled around him. If, however, DS and VC hadn't backed themselves into that corner I'd be more inclined to give a younger prospect a shot. Like most others I thought GW was the best choice, but he apparently didn't see eye to eye with DS so he's gone. Now I feel Fassel will be the best choice, but I am anything but excited about him. I hope that the plan is to bring along Olivadotti to be the future HC; that sounds like a winning formula. A guy brought up in house can have a clear understanding of the team, and a clear vision of what it will take to be successful in the long run.

Anyways I hope that they eventually explain to us WTF went on throughout this process. They have left alot of questions unanswered thus far, and though Im sure it will lack much substance, I think we deserve some clarification.
I don't think you'll hear much more than what Snyder said the other day. They were going through a process, Spagnuolo was on their list of coaches they wanted to interview right from the start and because of the SB they obviously couldn't wrap everything up until after the game.

If Spagnuolo wasn't in the SB they probably would have made a decision already. They didn't want to cross Spagnuolo off the list simply because they had to wait another week to interview him.

I know some people want to believe there was something much more sinister at work, but I really think the answer is that simple.
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I don't think you'll hear much more than what Snyder said the other day. They were going through a process, Spagnuolo was on their list of coaches they wanted to interview right from the start and because of the SB they obviously couldn't wrap everything up until after the game.

If Spagnuolo wasn't in the SB they probably would have made a decision already. They didn't want to cross Spagnuolo off the list simply because they had to wait another week to interview him.

I know some people want to believe there was something much more sinister at work, but I really think the answer is that simple.
Yeah no doubt. I wasn't clear though, what I'd like explained is:

Why not GW?

Why hire coordinators before head coach?


But I know I probably wont get answers to that, if thats what you mean.
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