Spagnuolo or Fassel?

Longtimefan · 02-06-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Just to add to that, also remember we're talking about head coach of the Washington Redskins, this ain't the Houston Texans we're talking about here. What's that saying? The only job more scrutinized in Washington, DC than President of the United States is Head Coach of the Washington Redskins.

I'm all for giving coaches opportunities, such as Jim Zorn for QB Coach to Offensive Coordinator, but at the head coach level I'd rather these guys cut their teeth elsewhere (such as, oh I don't know, New York for seven years) before assuming the mantle of Redskins Head Coach.

I agree.....There have been a number of coaches in the league who have found their groove only after being fired. After looking at some numbers, the combined record in 2003 of coaches who previously had been dismissed (Belichick, Dom Capers, Tony Dungy, Dan Reeves, Marty Schottenheimer and Dave Wannstedt) was 58-53-1. Belichick and Shanahan have won Super Bowls after being fired, and Reeves has won an NFL championship. Marv Levy made it to the Hall Of Fame after being canned by the Chiefs.

Now, valuing head coaching experience dosen't help minority candidates for coaches because not many of them have it. But the truth is as I've stated before, team owners must be most concerned about giving their teams the best chance to win. Considering all relevant factors, HC experience is of vital importance.

SFREDSKIN · 02-06-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

Spags would want to have some control over staffing and if his D is to be installed it must be with like minded coaches. Fassel would at least be a verifiable CEO of a veteran coaching staff. I'm not a fan of his, but he would do a good job given the backassward situation that's been created.

I think DS and VC sales pitch to all the candidates has been, we want continuity from last years staff/team and in order not to disrupt the team chemistry created we have assembled a staff for you. Are you willing to come here and work with this staff? Do you have a problem with any of the coaches on the staff? If during the season you disagree or have a conflict with a member of the staff we will do the following.... Whoever answers the most "yes master" questions or sell his soul for a load of cash will get the job. Most likely, Fossil.

Defensewins · 02-06-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I think DS and VC sales pitch to all the candidates has been, we want continuity from last years staff/team and in order not to disrupt the team chemistry created we have assembled a staff for you. Are you willing to come here and work with this staff? Do you have a problem with any of the coaches on the staff? If during the season you disagree or have a conflict with a member of the staff we will do the following.... Whoever answers the most "yes master" questions or sell his soul for a load of cash will get the job. Most likely, Fossil.

LOL!
FOSSIL....I like that.

wordsmithgk · 02-06-2008, 07:13 PM

We all just want a coach even if it is Fassel, which may have been Snyder's plan all along just drag it on they'll take anyone. Fassel would be such a bad hire but consistent with the ownership and front office of this team. I am weary of this team taking steps backwards every few years. Snyder has yet to prove he can successfully run this team. I don't doubt he wants to win--but he makes bad choices and Fassel is right in line with this team;s history under Snyder.

Longtimefan · 02-06-2008, 07:16 PM

This Redskin team as presently constructed is designed to win, and to win quickly. In the current climate, nearly every NFL team owner feels the same urgency. Honeymoon periods have gone the way of leather helmets. No NFL team that wants to win now can afford to train a HC on the job, because the mistakes he makes could be fatal to the team.

Even College head coaches have less to learn than NFL coordinators with no HC experience. That's why it behooves up-and-coming NFL assistants to pursue college HC jobs, as Nick Saban [despite his embarassment in Miami] and Tyrone Willingham did. Each of them probably has a future as an NFL head coach.

Then again, College head coaches don't come NFL ready any more than College QB's do. There still is a period of adjustment. Just ask Our former coach, Steve Spurrier who has admitted to struggling with the transition.

Campbell17 · 02-06-2008, 08:29 PM

I don't see anything that would make fassel better than spags. Spags will make our defense fantastic.

SBXVII · 02-06-2008, 08:48 PM

If it's down to those two can I suggest simply flipping a coin? If there is more then two can I suggest eeny meeny miney moe so we can get this over with and start placing our bets as to whether we get CJ or not and who we will draft? Of course that would be right after the "why did DS hire him?" thread.

DynamiteRave · 02-06-2008, 08:52 PM

I think we all should know by now. That Snyder is just going to coach the team himself.

Skinny Tee · 02-06-2008, 08:56 PM

The only way Fassel is selected as head coach is probably because he will be easier to fire next year if Snyder wants to go after Bill Cower.

TheSmurfs22 · 02-06-2008, 08:58 PM

I get the feeling it will be Spags. Snyder was just waiting for him to be available.

SmootSmack · 02-06-2008, 09:02 PM

If you do a YouTube search of Spagnuolo the first couple of clips have him mic'd up during practices with the Eagles and Giants

Dirtbag59 · 02-06-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSmurfs22

I get the feeling it will be Spags. Snyder was just waiting for him to be available.

The only problem I've really had with Snyder through this whole ordeal is having him not taking responsibility for his actions. For example during his recent interview at the Super Bowl he said "we just want to complete the process" or something like that where I would have respected him a lot more if he had said "I want to take my time and make sure I get this right." I'm tired of him hiding behind set company policy and the word "we", where he should at least act like an owner and lay claim to what he has done both good (bringing back Gibbs) and bad (treating Williams like shit).

The one example I'd like to bring up concerning how its done is the owner of the Memphis Grizzlies. In a recent press conference he took full responsiblity for the Pau Gasol trade, and at the same time explained why he did it. Though I don't agreee with the trade I still respect him because the guy fessed up and gave me valid and rational reasons for what he did. Of course this has been said a millon times before.

Anyway thanks Smootsmack for pointing out the YouTube videos. Sounds like Spags has got a bit of an accent, though I can't really put my finger on what type.

backrow · 02-06-2008, 09:20 PM

I hate these polls where it comes down to just two. It seems like it comes every four years or..................... so................................................ .................................................. ..........................Politics anyone?

SmootSmack · 02-06-2008, 09:24 PM

Well he really shouldn't say much because the process is not complete, and secondly if he starts saying "I" then people will just start complaining about how VC is just his lapdog

Longtimefan · 02-06-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Campbell17

I don't see anything that would make fassel better than spags. Spags will make our defense fantastic.

You could also turn that statement around, and read it from right to left.

We already have a defensive coordinator in place. While I understand the intrigue with Spagnuolo, and the SB win being his highlight of the moment, take a minute to look at the team defensive stats from the past season.

The Giants, Redskins and Cowboys finished the season ranked 7th, 8th and 9th respectively, and the stats of all three teams are strikingly simular. There's not enough differential in numbers to suggest the Giants defense was that much better than the Redskins. If we were to hire Spagnuolo strictly on his defensive prowess [the exception being the SB] then it's understood why such a strong case was made for the coordinator we already had in place in the name of one Gregg Williams.

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02-06-2008, 07:13 PM	#64
wordsmithgk Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Raleigh NC Age: 50 Posts: 152	Re: Spagnuolo or Fassel? We all just want a coach even if it is Fassel, which may have been Snyder's plan all along just drag it on they'll take anyone. Fassel would be such a bad hire but consistent with the ownership and front office of this team. I am weary of this team taking steps backwards every few years. Snyder has yet to prove he can successfully run this team. I don't doubt he wants to win--but he makes bad choices and Fassel is right in line with this team;s history under Snyder.

02-06-2008, 07:16 PM	#65
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Spagnuolo or Fassel? This Redskin team as presently constructed is designed to win, and to win quickly. In the current climate, nearly every NFL team owner feels the same urgency. Honeymoon periods have gone the way of leather helmets. No NFL team that wants to win now can afford to train a HC on the job, because the mistakes he makes could be fatal to the team. Even College head coaches have less to learn than NFL coordinators with no HC experience. That's why it behooves up-and-coming NFL assistants to pursue college HC jobs, as Nick Saban [despite his embarassment in Miami] and Tyrone Willingham did. Each of them probably has a future as an NFL head coach. Then again, College head coaches don't come NFL ready any more than College QB's do. There still is a period of adjustment. Just ask Our former coach, Steve Spurrier who has admitted to struggling with the transition.

02-06-2008, 08:29 PM	#66
Campbell17 Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Haddonfield, NJ Age: 19 Posts: 642	Re: Spagnuolo or Fassel? I don't see anything that would make fassel better than spags. Spags will make our defense fantastic. __________________ This time instead of some lousy joke, humerous comment, racial slur, or a famous quote, I will write small, and be the bigger person.

02-06-2008, 08:48 PM	#67
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: Spagnuolo or Fassel? If it's down to those two can I suggest simply flipping a coin? If there is more then two can I suggest eeny meeny miney moe so we can get this over with and start placing our bets as to whether we get CJ or not and who we will draft? Of course that would be right after the "why did DS hire him?" thread.

02-06-2008, 08:52 PM	#68
DynamiteRave Franchise Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Age: 26 Posts: 9,811	Re: Spagnuolo or Fassel? I think we all should know by now. That Snyder is just going to coach the team himself. __________________ Establishment, establishment, you always know what's best. I'm a chick, damnit.

02-06-2008, 08:56 PM	#69
Skinny Tee The Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Redskins Nation Posts: 1,715	Re: Spagnuolo or Fassel? The only way Fassel is selected as head coach is probably because he will be easier to fire next year if Snyder wants to go after Bill Cower. __________________ Redskinsly, _________Skinny Tee_________

02-06-2008, 08:58 PM	#70
TheSmurfs22 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Staunton, VA Posts: 957	Re: Spagnuolo or Fassel? I get the feeling it will be Spags. Snyder was just waiting for him to be available.

02-06-2008, 09:02 PM	#71
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Spagnuolo or Fassel? If you do a YouTube search of Spagnuolo the first couple of clips have him mic'd up during practices with the Eagles and Giants __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

02-06-2008, 09:20 PM	#73
backrow The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 36.28 x 76.22 Age: 61 Posts: 1,791	Re: Spagnuolo or Fassel? I hate these polls where it comes down to just two. It seems like it comes every four years or..................... so................................................ .................................................. ..........................Politics anyone? __________________ '37, '42, '83, '88, '92. Championship!

02-06-2008, 09:24 PM	#74
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Spagnuolo or Fassel? Well he really shouldn't say much because the process is not complete, and secondly if he starts saying "I" then people will just start complaining about how VC is just his lapdog __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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