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Old 02-07-2008, 06:51 PM   #31
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More athletic?

Dude is a 280 pound FB who can run, catch, and block. He can also play the h-back and TE.

Not sure what else you could want from a guy.
Also, how many 280 lb guys do you know who can hurdle people?

Sellers is a beast. When the line was healthy the season before last he was better able to get to the second level, and the man created holes you could drive a mack truck through.

Also, at 32 he is in no way young, but FB's often have some of their best production late in their career. Like Lorenzo Neal for example. It is possible that we could get another 3-5 years of excellent production from Sellers, so Im not sure we even need to start polishing a young replacement just yet. Certainly not one drafted before the 5th round.
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Old 02-07-2008, 07:00 PM   #32
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Youth, for one, I know we would want. He isnt gonna play for too much longer. Yes, Sellers is a good player, but if we can get someone younger and more athletic to be used in the passing game, then why not?

Dallas converted a LB, that wasnt gonna make the team. He turned out pretty good. Look at Seattle's FB, remember that TD run that they scored on us in the playoffs, I dont think Sellers breaks that run and takes it to the house. Do you?
you have to expand your brain just a tad... now didnt the seahawks spread our defense out and run a draw/delay play to the fb??? and when did gibbs ever spread the field for sellers?? how do you expect sellers to run for a 20 yard td when he gets the ball on 3rd and 1 and goaline situations? the major issue i had with gibbs was his ability to cram the offense together instead of spreading them out. and when sellers rushed... he had 1 wr and two tights or a xtra tackle in the game with playcalls specifically designed for 2 yard gains by rushing behind samuels and kendall.
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Old 02-07-2008, 07:49 PM   #33
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Re: West-Coast Offense clarification.

I like MS, but I think we can get younger and faster at the position for the future.
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Old 02-07-2008, 07:53 PM   #34
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Re: West-Coast Offense clarification.

I love Sellers on special teams, as a receiver, and as a run blocker. I don't think Sellers is a particularly good pass-blocker however. I've seen Big Mike whiff on far too many occasions.
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Old 02-07-2008, 07:57 PM   #35
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Re: West-Coast Offense clarification.

I definitely believe Mike Sellers is a guy you keep on the team. Yeah, he's probably more suited as a lead blocker, but are we forgetting that Chris Cooley would probably work in the passing situations?
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:35 PM   #36
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Re: West-Coast Offense clarification.

First of all, I was never saying get rid of Sellers. If anything, I'd want to expand his role to be the anti-Reggie Bush. Try to use him to get mismatches in the passing game and getting the rock from time to time. However, to mention Sellers in the same breath as Lorenzo Neal when it comes to run blocking is ridiculous. Lorenzo Neal goes to the pro bowl every year for a reason, ask LT why he has such huge holes.

There are plenty of reasons to not want Lorenzo Neal. Cap, Age, etc. I understand and never expected the Redskins to make a move for him. While my main question was to the importance of the fullback in the west coast offense, the 2ndary question came about Neal. I really like Sellers, but just don't like him when it comes to blocking. Give him the ball and mismatches all day, but I don't recall many incidents of him clearing out a big hole for Portis. Maybe it was due to scheme, I don't know.
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First of all, I was never saying get rid of Sellers. If anything, I'd want to expand his role to be the anti-Reggie Bush. Try to use him to get mismatches in the passing game and getting the rock from time to time. However, to mention Sellers in the same breath as Lorenzo Neal when it comes to run blocking is ridiculous. Lorenzo Neal goes to the pro bowl every year for a reason, ask LT why he has such huge holes.

There are plenty of reasons to not want Lorenzo Neal. Cap, Age, etc. I understand and never expected the Redskins to make a move for him. While my main question was to the importance of the fullback in the west coast offense, the 2ndary question came about Neal. I really like Sellers, but just don't like him when it comes to blocking. Give him the ball and mismatches all day, but I don't recall many incidents of him clearing out a big hole for Portis. Maybe it was due to scheme, I don't know.
Part of the reason the running game struggled so much last year was obviously due to the injuries along the O-line. However when the running game got going near the end of the season a lot of the credit is attributed to Sellers.

I also think you can see his impact by watching how much more the running game suffered when Sellers was out. In my opinon there was a huge difference. I really wish you'd reconsider and watch film, though I understand getting your hands on Redskin broadcast isn't exactly practical. The next best thing would be to watch Clinton Portis highlights on YouTube and see how much CP hung onto Sellers during key plays, especially during the course of the Giants game and the early part of the Vikings game (before he ran downfield full speed and gave himself a concussion). Of course he also did that a lot with RT and JJ.

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Old 02-07-2008, 09:59 PM   #38
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Re: West-Coast Offense clarification.

I cannot fathom why anyone who has watched Sellers thinks he isn't not only a good blocker but a very good run blocker. In terms of positions that need an upgrade on our team FB is near the bottom. And certainly not with a 38 year old. Sellers is a top 5 FB in the league.
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Re: West-Coast Offense clarification.

maybe draft a guy like hester (if he grades 4th round or lower) for future use (Sellers is getting old), but in the short term, we'll be alright.
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Re: West-Coast Offense clarification.

Sellers does struggle to block really athletic outside ends and backers. No problem blowing the DT's out of the hole though.

I don't think I'd like Lorenzo Neal as the one big FA we can afford this year. Doesn't improve the team as much as a defensive player could.
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I love Sellers on special teams, as a receiver, and as a run blocker. I don't think Sellers is a particularly good pass-blocker however. I've seen Big Mike whiff on far too many occasions.
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Re: West-Coast Offense clarification.

Jacob Hester is out there as a 4th or 5th rounder
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Re: West-Coast Offense clarification.

I have to agree with young Earthquake here. There are many reasons to be a Mike Sellers fan, but his blocking is at best average. He is all about the kill shot and very little about technique.
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Old 02-08-2008, 12:04 PM   #44
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The only problem with Sellers is he didn't touch the ball often enough.
Yes, more 3rd down and goal-line carries SHOULD happen. He's a beast.

We need to stop putting Betts in this position so he can fumble or trip.
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Old 02-08-2008, 12:30 PM   #45
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Re: West-Coast Offense clarification.

First of all we are something like 20 million over the cap. Second of all as mentioned before Neal is nearing 40. Finally, I am more worried about run blocking offensive guards than replacing a solid FB in Sellars. Last year Portis and Betts were supposed to hit the 1,000 yard mark. The run game took a big step back last year when we lost Dockery. We need to replace Dockery more than replacing Sellars.
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