Well, just like old times..

gibbsisgod · 02-12-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by onlydarksets

How is this like old times? There are only two changes mentioned:

We desperately need a possession and playmaking receiver - CJ fits that bill.
Our LBs are pretty dinged up - Lance Briggs fills that need.

What's shocking is the attempt at consistency and avoiding aging vets:

JC has the full support of Snyder and VC - screw that, can you say "QB controversy"?
We aren't going after Collins - what?!? We aren't throwing insane money at a 2-year player? Yeah, sounds just like old times to me!
We aren't re-signing Brunell - (see comment for Collins)
We are looking into Dilfer, a backup who knows the offense - that's CRAZY talk, right there.
Snyder wants to make sure the players we have (Moss/ARE) stay healthy - Bring me Snyder's head!
We aren't throwing money at Rock just to do returns? The madness!
The Skins are going to use Lorenzo Alexander and Heyer to beef up the O-line and Wilson on the D-line - I can't believe we are going to groom players we drafted (or picked up undrafted) as starters. VC is a lackey - bring me his head too.

Jeez, it feels just like 1999 again.

Damn fine post!

Mattyk · 02-12-2008, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

How is this like old times? There are only two changes mentioned:

We desperately need a possession and playmaking receiver - CJ fits that bill.
Our LBs are pretty dinged up - Lance Briggs fills that need.

What's shocking is the attempt at consistency and avoiding aging vets:

JC has the full support of Snyder and VC - screw that, can you say "QB controversy"?
We aren't going after Collins - what?!? We aren't throwing insane money at a 2-year player? Yeah, sounds just like old times to me!
We aren't re-signing Brunell - (see comment for Collins)
We are looking into Dilfer, a backup who knows the offense - that's CRAZY talk, right there.
Snyder wants to make sure the players we have (Moss/ARE) stay healthy - Bring me Snyder's head!
We aren't throwing money at Rock just to do returns? The madness!
The Skins are going to use Lorenzo Alexander and Heyer to beef up the O-line and Wilson on the D-line - I can't believe we are going to groom players we drafted (or picked up undrafted) as starters. VC is a lackey - bring me his head too.

Jeez, it feels just like 1999 again.

Stop making sense. It's more fun to just freak out and ignore what the article really says.

onlydarksets · 02-12-2008, 09:37 AM

Where have you heard that McIntosh will be ready to go on opening day? I've heard mid-season at best.

As for Rock, there are a couple of threads on this. The bottom-line is that he can't make RB money doing returns, and there is no room for him at backup RB. I don't know what he is asking, but combined with the fact that we are committed to Betts (contractually), it doesn't leave much room for him at the salary he likely wants.

#56fanatic · 02-12-2008, 09:54 AM

I thought I read something a month or so ago where Bubba tyer said rocky should be ready by the beginning of the season.
With Rock, I dont know what he is asking for either, but with his stellar play on special teams as the kick returner and coverage he found his niche on this team. I think rock is a tremendous team mate and locker room leader.

talk show host · 02-12-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I thought I read something a month or so ago where Bubba tyer said rocky should be ready by the beginning of the season.
With Rock, I dont know what he is asking for either, but with his stellar play on special teams as the kick returner and coverage he found his niche on this team. I think rock is a tremendous team mate and locker room leader.

I seem to remember reading a month or so ago (on the washingtonpost) that rock actually made a statement along the lines of "i want to get paid." from that point, he was dead to me. I believe he even mentioned 10 million dollars. he also wants to be somewhere where he will regularly see action on offense.... that won't happen here. Rock is going but if thats his attitude, i wont miss him.

redsk1 · 02-12-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Where did you see an overhaul in that article? Don't fall into the media trap of 'here we go again' because some people are coming in and some people are leaving, that's the nature of the NFL..

Chad Johnson is a Pro Bowl WR in his prime.. He just turned 30 a couple of weeks ago, averaged 90+ catches the past 6 yrs, over 1200 yds and 7 TD each of those years.. Lance Briggs is someone the FO has a hard on for at the LB position and he can come in and be a starter for years. McIntosh is coming off of an injury and Washington is coming off of 2 consecutive injury plagued seasons and is likely in his final year as a Redskin.

Other than those 2 names, the FO is looking at adding depth across the board..

Other than those 2 Blockbuster, Huge salary deals there's nothing to see here.

Mostly speculation, but i'm sure there's some truth to it. I'm not against us signing a FA as long as we don't trade our draft for it.
No,

Daseal · 02-12-2008, 10:09 AM

I enjoyed the article. First of all, I don't think the changes mentioned are that outrageous, but let's also look at how many changes have recently happened in DC. We have a complete change of philosophy in offense which may require new personnel, ie a big named receiver like a Chad Johnson. I think we could get him for relatively cheap. Unfortunately, I think Vinny's biggest downside is his negotiation prowess (or lack there of). I've heard two 3rds for Chad Johnson rumored on NFL radio, I'd give that up in a second for a true #1 receiver which is something the skins desperately lack.

As usual people want to bag on Snyder for no particular reason.

TheMalcolmConnection · 02-12-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I thought I read something a month or so ago where Bubba tyer said rocky should be ready by the beginning of the season.
With Rock, I dont know what he is asking for either, but with his stellar play on special teams as the kick returner and coverage he found his niche on this team. I think rock is a tremendous team mate and locker room leader.

I read that too. I read he was ahead of schedule and should be ready for training camp.

onlydarksets · 02-12-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I read that too. I read he was ahead of schedule and should be ready for training camp.

Most accounts have him 9-12 months of rehab away from playing (he had surgery at the beginning of January, I believe). That's September at best, but far from a sure thing at this point until we see how he responds to PT. I do recall Gibbs saying he hoped he would be ready at the earlier end of that, but I don't recall any basis for his speculation.

redwagonskins · 02-12-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Maybe we could pull out the mega trade and give up Brandon Lloyd for Chad.

This was a joke right? Sometimes my sarcasm meter is a little off. I mean, you don't think they would give up a pro-bowl receiver for a guy who has 0 TDs in 2 years. Yeah must be kidding.

Mattyk · 02-12-2008, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I thought I read something a month or so ago where Bubba tyer said rocky should be ready by the beginning of the season.
With Rock, I dont know what he is asking for either, but with his stellar play on special teams as the kick returner and coverage he found his niche on this team. I think rock is a tremendous team mate and locker room leader.

I think more than anything Rock wants the chance to carry the ball more, and with Betts and Portis ahead of him that's just not going to happen here.

70Chip · 02-12-2008, 10:31 AM

30 is pretty old for a WR. If he were 26, I might consider it, but then, teams don't trade WRs that are 26. They trade them when they're 30. Besides, he's a tremendous douchebag. His antics are lame. That HOF jacket was the worst celebration ever. Tony Kornheiser loved it though which sort of tells you just HOW lame the guy is.

Bishop Hammer · 02-12-2008, 10:31 AM

Ironically, I would'nt mind if the Front Office kept Mark Brunell. After all Brunell does have experience in the West Coast Offense and he even led the Jaguars to the AFC Championship running it. Brunell would be a good tutor to Jason Campbell and help aid in his learning curve.

If the FO goes after a reviever I think Chad Johnson would be a better fit here and he is a more team player than Randy Moss. Moss is only as good as the team he is on. When the going gets tough Moss will become a disruption or half tail it like he did in Oakland; he is not TO bad, but the Skins do not need that sort of distraction going on.

Mattyk · 02-12-2008, 10:32 AM

CJ still has a few quality years left, at 30 he could easily go another 4-5 years at his current level of play. Not saying I want him, just saying.

skinsnut · 02-12-2008, 10:33 AM

I loved this article...really no big suprises to me.
Nothing shocking and certainly nothing that says just like old times.

One nice point below that i didn't expect to see but many here pointed out as a need in prior threads:

"Team sources said Snyder is considering expanding his training rehab staff to help limit and cope with the number of hamstring issues, which were prevalent on the team in 2007"

02-12-2008, 09:37 AM	#18
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: Well, just like old times.. Where have you heard that McIntosh will be ready to go on opening day? I've heard mid-season at best. As for Rock, there are a couple of threads on this. The bottom-line is that he can't make RB money doing returns, and there is no room for him at backup RB. I don't know what he is asking, but combined with the fact that we are committed to Betts (contractually), it doesn't leave much room for him at the salary he likely wants. __________________ Stop reading my signature.

02-12-2008, 09:54 AM	#19
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 38 Posts: 1,788	Re: Well, just like old times.. I thought I read something a month or so ago where Bubba tyer said rocky should be ready by the beginning of the season. With Rock, I dont know what he is asking for either, but with his stellar play on special teams as the kick returner and coverage he found his niche on this team. I think rock is a tremendous team mate and locker room leader.

02-12-2008, 10:09 AM	#22
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,057	Re: Well, just like old times.. I enjoyed the article. First of all, I don't think the changes mentioned are that outrageous, but let's also look at how many changes have recently happened in DC. We have a complete change of philosophy in offense which may require new personnel, ie a big named receiver like a Chad Johnson. I think we could get him for relatively cheap. Unfortunately, I think Vinny's biggest downside is his negotiation prowess (or lack there of). I've heard two 3rds for Chad Johnson rumored on NFL radio, I'd give that up in a second for a true #1 receiver which is something the skins desperately lack. As usual people want to bag on Snyder for no particular reason. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

02-12-2008, 10:31 AM	#27
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 42 Posts: 3,048	Re: Well, just like old times.. 30 is pretty old for a WR. If he were 26, I might consider it, but then, teams don't trade WRs that are 26. They trade them when they're 30. Besides, he's a tremendous douchebag. His antics are lame. That HOF jacket was the worst celebration ever. Tony Kornheiser loved it though which sort of tells you just HOW lame the guy is. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

02-12-2008, 10:31 AM	#28
Bishop Hammer Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 109	Re: Well, just like old times.. Ironically, I would'nt mind if the Front Office kept Mark Brunell. After all Brunell does have experience in the West Coast Offense and he even led the Jaguars to the AFC Championship running it. Brunell would be a good tutor to Jason Campbell and help aid in his learning curve. If the FO goes after a reviever I think Chad Johnson would be a better fit here and he is a more team player than Randy Moss. Moss is only as good as the team he is on. When the going gets tough Moss will become a disruption or half tail it like he did in Oakland; he is not TO bad, but the Skins do not need that sort of distraction going on. __________________ I don't have to sell my soul he's already in me I don't need to sell my soul he's already in me I wanna be adored I wanna be adored Stone Roses "I wanna be adored"

02-12-2008, 10:32 AM	#29
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,674	Re: Well, just like old times.. CJ still has a few quality years left, at 30 he could easily go another 4-5 years at his current level of play. Not saying I want him, just saying. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

02-12-2008, 10:33 AM	#30
skinsnut The Starter Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,172	Re: Well, just like old times.. I loved this article...really no big suprises to me. Nothing shocking and certainly nothing that says just like old times. One nice point below that i didn't expect to see but many here pointed out as a need in prior threads: "Team sources said Snyder is considering expanding his training rehab staff to help limit and cope with the number of hamstring issues, which were prevalent on the team in 2007" __________________ I hate Dallas...Period

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