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Old 02-12-2008, 12:40 PM   #46
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We can get a WR in the draft.
WRs have such a high bust rate and they take quite some time to develop. Why do we see so many of the star receivers in their 30s? Most of them don't come on until their late 20's. I don't think I buy completely into your talk about NYs defense was what won that game. NY's D line was what won that game, and I believe NE's defense was only ranked two slots lower than NYG's defense. I don't feel like Briggs will be worth his paycheck when everything is said and done.

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letting rock go is the most disturbing part of that article. It's just another example of how dumb & dumber have no clue how to build a team. All that interests them is fantasy stats...guys who catch the ball guys who throw the ball and defenders who sack the QB. That's how they think. Good teams are made up of guys like Rock who think team first and do their job well. That's not exciting enough for the Danny...
This proves to me they are building a team. Don't get me wrong, I really like Rock and would love for him to stay, but there's this thing called a salary cap. Most teams have gotten rid of specialized punt/kick returners for a reason. While rock was solid, he was far from electrifying in that position. He's a 3rd string running back coming to the end of his rookie contract and he's not coming back for free. However, we can sign a guy off the practice squad such as Marcus Mason for far cheaper and we won't see much, if any, drop off in productivity. In the NFL today you have to be able to let players go, it's hard for us fans but it's business.
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Old 02-12-2008, 12:40 PM   #47
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Ok ok, I admit I used wrong word.. Obviously.. But what I meant is we are going to go on shopping spree because if the trade for Chad Johnson happens - we won't have 1st rd pick and probably more.. We need those picks to draft some players such as Lineman or whatever Zorn and team feel whichever position is pressing.. As for Lance Briggs, I can understand the move due to Rocky's injury issues.. But Lance wants a BIG contract and I don't think we could afford him but it has never stopped Snyder from luring a player with money before.. Not even the cap salary..
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Old 02-12-2008, 12:41 PM   #48
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How can you bring in any big name offensive free agents when we don't even know how our core will handle themselves playing the west coast offense?

We should save our big offensive aquistions for next year after we see our deficiencies on offense this coming year.
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Our deficiencies are that we have no big physical WR's. How many good WR's in the league are 5'9 and below? First one was Welker (#11 in receiving yards).
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letting rock go is the most disturbing part of that article. It's just another example of how dumb & dumber have no clue how to build a team. All that interests them is fantasy stats...guys who catch the ball guys who throw the ball and defenders who sack the QB. That's how they think. Good teams are made up of guys like Rock who think team first and do their job well. That's not exciting enough for the Danny...
In the NFL this year, among returners who had 20 or more kick returns, Rock Cartwright was #8 with an average of 25.8 yards per return.
The others were:
1. Josh Cribbs
2. Andre Davis
3. Aundrae Allison
4. Leon Washington
5. Darren Sproles
6. Maurice Jones-Drew
7. Ellis Hobbs
8. Rock

According to the Times: Redskins' Rock seeks hefty contract*-*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
"I would love to stay, but it's up to the front office," said Cartwright, whose salary cap figure this season is $680,000. "[NFL punt return leader] Roscoe Parrish just got [$4.35 million] guaranteed [in a three-year, $10 million deal] from Buffalo. I don't expect to match that, but I want something similar, some type of security."

Before we crucify the FO on this, let's see what his contract demands are. Then ask whether those terms are "fair" for a guy who is the 8th best return guy in terms of yards per return. Everybody gets on the FO for overpaying players, so lets see how this shakes out.
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Old 02-12-2008, 12:50 PM   #51
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Yep, and Moss is 31 this year, Reggie Wayne 30, and Torry Holt 32. That's half of the top 10 receivers in the league (including 4 of the top 5 in yardage). I have no problem getting a 30-year old receiver if he can be productive.
A lot of you guys are also forgetting that Chad is a workout warrior, so if worst comes to worst he will be productive for up to 6 more years. Mark my words Chad Johnson will be a Redskin next year.
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letting rock go is the most disturbing part of that article. It's just another example of how dumb & dumber have no clue how to build a team. All that interests them is fantasy stats...guys who catch the ball guys who throw the ball and defenders who sack the QB. That's how they think. Good teams are made up of guys like Rock who think team first and do their job well. That's not exciting enough for the Danny...
Rock is the one that wants out, he wants to expand his role and run the ball more, that's just not going to happen here.

Do you want them to overpay for a return man?
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letting rock go is the most disturbing part of that article. It's just another example of how dumb & dumber have no clue how to build a team. All that interests them is fantasy stats...guys who catch the ball guys who throw the ball and defenders who sack the QB. That's how they think. Good teams are made up of guys like Rock who think team first and do their job well. That's not exciting enough for the Danny...
Yea who wants players that catch the ball, throw the ball and defenders who sack the Qb. That stuff is way overated these days.
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A lot of you guys are also forgetting that Chad is a workout warrior, so if worst comes to worst he will be productive for up to 6 more years. Mark my words Chad Johnson will be a Redskin next year.
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Old 02-12-2008, 01:07 PM   #55
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After reading the posts of the wise men here, I admit that I was a little unbalanced in my view of the article. the main reason it bothered me initially was the CJ talk. I hope he's not coming here & if he does, I really hope we don't give up too many picks. Let the bengals shop him w/their high demands.

I see another major problem w/this. IF CJ really expects a new deal but that can't be taken care of before a trade is made, then he'd be unhappy till he gets the $ he wants. I think he's got 3-5 good to great years at least but he's also capable of causing serious problems w/the team. To play devil's advocate on my own position, if we got him for a 3rd round pick & didn't sign him to a new deal (believe he has 3 yrs. remaining), he would be good value if he behaves well.

There was definitely some really good news in the article re: the D. I love that Blache has called his vets & told them he plans to keep them; Springs, Daniels & Griffin. And I love that Blache wants to rebuild his D through the draft. I would like to see Briggs here but not for $20 mil guaranteed, which is about what he'll be after. I now see our draft order being 1) DE & 2) CB.
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In the NFL this year, among returners who had 20 or more kick returns, Rock Cartwright was #8 with an average of 25.8 yards per return.
The others were:
1. Josh Cribbs
2. Andre Davis
3. Aundrae Allison
4. Leon Washington
5. Darren Sproles
6. Maurice Jones-Drew
7. Ellis Hobbs
8. Rock

According to the Times: Redskins' Rock seeks hefty contract*-*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
"I would love to stay, but it's up to the front office," said Cartwright, whose salary cap figure this season is $680,000. "[NFL punt return leader] Roscoe Parrish just got [$4.35 million] guaranteed [in a three-year, $10 million deal] from Buffalo. I don't expect to match that, but I want something similar, some type of security."

Before we crucify the FO on this, let's see what his contract demands are. Then ask whether those terms are "fair" for a guy who is the 8th best return guy in terms of yards per return. Everybody gets on the FO for overpaying players, so lets see how this shakes out.
You make a good point. We will see what his demands are and what the market bears before making judgements. This article makes it seem like he is not even in their plans.
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After reading the posts of the wise men here, I admit that I was a little unbalanced in my view of the article. the main reason it bothered me initially was the CJ talk. I hope he's not coming here & if he does, I really hope we don't give up too many picks. Let the bengals shop him w/their high demands.

I see another major problem w/this. IF CJ really expects a new deal but that can't be taken care of before a trade is made, then he'd be unhappy till he gets the $ he wants. I think he's got 3-5 good to great years at least but he's also capable of causing serious problems w/the team. To play devil's advocate on my own position, if we got him for a 3rd round pick & didn't sign him to a new deal (believe he has 3 yrs. remaining), he would be good value if he behaves well.

There was definitely some really good news in the article re: the D. I love that Blache has called his vets & told them he plans to keep them; Springs, Daniels & Griffin. And I love that Blache wants to rebuild his D through the draft. I would like to see Briggs here but not for $20 mil guaranteed, which is about what he'll be after. I now see our draft order being 1) DE & 2) CB.
With the way this front office operates, you can bet they would sign him to a new deal pretty quickly after the trade.
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Old 02-12-2008, 01:09 PM   #58
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I'm not freaking out since, at this point, the CJ-talk is not much more than speculation. And, even if we traded for CJ, I wouldn't freak out since we do need a #1 WR. BUT, I'd certainly be against trading 1-2 first day picks and/or players for CJ.
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You make a good point. We will see what his demands are and what the market bears before making judgements. This article makes it seem like he is not even in their plans.
I understand the concern. Trying to understand what is going on in Redskin park is sometimes like trying to get info from behind the iron curtain in the Cold War. Sometimes, it's best to take a wait and see attitude...then get pissed off
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Yea who wants players that catch the ball, throw the ball and defenders who sack the Qb. That stuff is way overated these days.
You need those players but you can't build a team with 53 Pro Bowlers...teams need guys like Rock. Ask Gibbs if Rock is what he would call a "core Redskin". As I said in the post above, maybe some other team will overpay him then I agree we need to move on. My comment was based on thinking that the article was implying that the redskins didn't even want Rock back.
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