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Old 02-12-2008, 01:11 PM   #61
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After reading the posts of the wise men here, I admit that I was a little unbalanced in my view of the article. the main reason it bothered me initially was the CJ talk. I hope he's not coming here & if he does, I really hope we don't give up too many picks. Let the bengals shop him w/their high demands.

I see another major problem w/this. IF CJ really expects a new deal but that can't be taken care of before a trade is made, then he'd be unhappy till he gets the $ he wants. I think he's got 3-5 good to great years at least but he's also capable of causing serious problems w/the team. To play devil's advocate on my own position, if we got him for a 3rd round pick & didn't sign him to a new deal (believe he has 3 yrs. remaining), he would be good value if he behaves well.

There was definitely some really good news in the article re: the D. I love that Blache has called his vets & told them he plans to keep them; Springs, Daniels & Griffin. And I love that Blache wants to rebuild his D through the draft. I would like to see Briggs here but not for $20 mil guaranteed, which is about what he'll be after. I now see our draft order being 1) DE & 2) CB.


I was really glad when I saw it in the article too..
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Old 02-12-2008, 01:15 PM   #62
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Rock is the one that wants out, he wants to expand his role and run the ball more, that's just not going to happen here.

Do you want them to overpay for a return man?
No of course not...I want them to value the role that he played on the team and offer him a fair deal to remain in that capacity. if he gets an offer that is to high for what he does for us then we wish him well and move on. I thought JLC implied the redskins didn't even want him back.
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Old 02-12-2008, 01:19 PM   #63
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No of course not...I want them to value the role that he played on the team and offer him a fair deal to remain in that capacity. if he gets an offer that is to high for what he does for us then we wish him well and move on. I thought JLC implied the redskins didn't even want him back.
They don't... not if he really wants a "hefty" contract.
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Old 02-12-2008, 01:22 PM   #64
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No of course not...I want them to value the role that he played on the team and offer him a fair deal to remain in that capacity. if he gets an offer that is to high for what he does for us then we wish him well and move on. I thought JLC implied the redskins didn't even want him back.
I'd love to see Rock stay, but my guess is that they have no intention of trying to sign him, or at least aren't in any hurry to. From a roster standpoint, I think Rock's value is very limited. He's a great special teamer, better in coverage than he is in the return game. He doesn't have speed or moves to create anything on his own. He's certainly not even a backup caliber rb in the nfl. He would be easy to replace & we can get a better rb on the roster very cheaply.

The only thing we can't replace is his team spirit. He's shown that he's a great team player & it will be sad to see him go if he does. Gibbs' retirement was probably the worst thing for his chances to get re-signed.
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Old 02-12-2008, 01:29 PM   #65
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You need those players but you can't build a team with 53 Pro Bowlers...teams need guys like Rock. Ask Gibbs if Rock is what he would call a "core Redskin". As I said in the post above, maybe some other team will overpay him then I agree we need to move on. My comment was based on thinking that the article was implying that the redskins didn't even want Rock back.
I'm sure the skins want him back next year its the $ that he may want and maybe he is looking at playing some running back. The only way that happens here is if we get hit by injuries. I just don't like how people bash Snyder and Vinny for things that have not even happened.
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Old 02-12-2008, 01:37 PM   #66
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They don't... not if he really wants a "hefty" contract.
He's nuts if he thinks he's getting a hefty deal. He's a backup RB and a special teamer. I like him as a locker room guy...you subtract to many guys like him and all of a sudden any shread of the chemistry this team formed is gone. But his on field play does not warrent a big salary. I really can't see anyone in the league offering him a hefty contract and a chance to start. And if they do I will drive him to the airport.
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Old 02-12-2008, 01:47 PM   #67
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What about Limas Sweed (6'4" 220 4.45) with the 21st?
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How is this like old times? There are only two changes mentioned:
  • We desperately need a possession and playmaking receiver - CJ fits that bill.
  • Our LBs are pretty dinged up - Lance Briggs fills that need.
What's shocking is the attempt at consistency and avoiding aging vets:
  • JC has the full support of Snyder and VC - screw that, can you say "QB controversy"?
  • We aren't going after Collins - what?!? We aren't throwing insane money at a 2-year player? Yeah, sounds just like old times to me!
  • We aren't re-signing Brunell - (see comment for Collins)
  • We are looking into Dilfer, a backup who knows the offense - that's CRAZY talk, right there.
  • Snyder wants to make sure the players we have (Moss/ARE) stay healthy - Bring me Snyder's head!
  • We aren't throwing money at Rock just to do returns? The madness!
  • The Skins are going to use Lorenzo Alexander and Heyer to beef up the O-line and Wilson on the D-line - I can't believe we are going to groom players we drafted (or picked up undrafted) as starters. VC is a lackey - bring me his head too.
Jeez, it feels just like 1999 again.
Hilarious.

You're right on. These are all wise moves. WTF
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He's nuts if he thinks he's getting a hefty deal. He's a backup RB and a special teamer. I like him as a locker room guy...you subtract to many guys like him and all of a sudden any shread of the chemistry this team formed is gone. But his on field play does not warrent a big salary. I really can't see anyone in the league offering him a hefty contract and a chance to start. And if they do I will drive him to the airport.
LOL I hear ya

But after seeing the Bills break the bank for Dockery, nothing would surprise me.
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letting rock go is the most disturbing part of that article. It's just another example of how dumb & dumber have no clue how to build a team. All that interests them is fantasy stats...guys who catch the ball guys who throw the ball and defenders who sack the QB. That's how they think. Good teams are made up of guys like Rock who think team first and do their job well. That's not exciting enough for the Danny...
How does over paying for a slightly above average kick returner(at best) and 3rd string RB who wants more carries make any sense? I am all for core Redskins but they have to be able to produce something for the team. Hell if they really want super-core redksins they can pay me a Mil a year to suck at playing football but be really team oriented.
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Yea who wants players that catch the ball, throw the ball and defenders who sack the Qb. That stuff is way overated these days.
You stole my thought I had while reading that post.
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[QUOTE=FRPLG;421314]How does over paying for a slightly above average kick returner(at best) and 3rd string RB who wants more carries make any sense? I am all for core Redskins but they have to be able to produce something for the team. Hell if they really want super-core redksins they can pay me a Mil a year to suck at playing football but be really team oriented.[/QUOTE]

That's funny! I answered this already in a previous post. I don't want to overpay him. I thought the article said they didn't want him back at all. I think he has a place on the team in the same role for similar money.
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That's funny! I answered this already in a previous post. I don't want to overpay him. I thought the article said they didn't want him back at all. I think he has a place on the team in the same role for similar money.
I agree, but it will never get to salary. Rock wants touches on offense, which he just isn't going to get here.
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Old 02-12-2008, 04:48 PM   #74
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Well, after reading the article, I thought it was pretty much spot on. We do need some big time upgrades on both the offensive and defensive lines. This is something I've been saying for awhile now. In regards to the two possible big time signings, I'd be thrilled for the Redskins to pick up Chad Johnson and Lance Briggs. I am concerned with Johnson's attitude, but I'd take him over T.O. any day. Of course, I'm not wanting us to trade our future for Johnson, but he could certainly give our offense a huge boost! We do need a true #1 receiver, and Chad Johnson fits the bill.

I agree also with what was said earlier. It's a crap shoot drafting receivers and most of them do seem to go through a development period. I'd say if we can keep Moss and Are, get rid of Lloyd, trade for Johnson, and develop Espy or Mix, I think that would be the winning ticket for us.
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Old 02-12-2008, 05:26 PM   #75
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What about Limas Sweed (6'4" 220 4.45) with the 21st?
He's fragile with shaky hands.. Pass..
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