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Old 02-14-2008, 11:04 AM   #31
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For weeks, we complain about the HC not being allowed to choose his assistants. He brings in a guy he really wants on his staff...and now we're complaining about that.

But I understand the inconsistencies.

Still, there are so many dynamics to it all. It's not as simple as "Byner got screwed."

And JLC is upset primarily because one of his main "inside sources" is gone.
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Old 02-14-2008, 11:44 AM   #32
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I was initially upset after reading this article, what Skins fan wouldn't be?

But upon reading these posts & thinking about it, I think a couple of things stand out:

1) Byner was well liked but was he too much of a 'players coach?' Portis seemed to develop his own rules, maybe Byner catered too much to him. They need to take a new approach w/Zorn at the helm. He's got to let players know that he's in charge, and Stump will help him. If anything leftover from Gibbs needed to go it was Portis' self-guided practice habits & game substitutions. Maybe Byner was a bigger part of that than we realize.

2) The Skins had an offer on the table but he didn't sign it initially. Then when he wanted to the offer wasn't there. This just sounds unfortunate to me. It is eerily similar to Monk's deal - no deal debacle when Norvelle came to town & replaced a living legend w/Henry Ellard (who was damn good) et al.

The real issue is, why did he have a shorter contract than the others? I'm sure they have their reasons. I hate the way this went down, but maybe it is just JLC giving a very personal opinion as some here have said. I respect JLC's work a lot, but he is personally affected by some of these decisions, so it's not unreasonable to say that he's being more subjective than usual.
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Old 02-14-2008, 11:53 AM   #33
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For weeks, we complain about the HC not being allowed to choose his assistants. He brings in a guy he really wants on his staff...and now we're complaining about that.

But I understand the inconsistencies.

Still, there are so many dynamics to it all. It's not as simple as "Byner got screwed."

And JLC is upset primarily because one of his main "inside sources" is gone.
I think Zorn should have total control over his staff....everyone. The way the article was written made me believe the skins should have told him that he wasn't going to be resigned so he could have pursued other opportunities. That is if they didn't like him. Sounds like they didn't like him by their actions, but i don't know.
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Old 02-14-2008, 12:03 PM   #34
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For weeks, we complain about the HC not being allowed to choose his assistants. He brings in a guy he really wants on his staff...and now we're complaining about that.

But I understand the inconsistencies.

Still, there are so many dynamics to it all. It's not as simple as "Byner got screwed."

And JLC is upset primarily because one of his main "inside sources" is gone.
You what I hate? I hate it when people use logic and reason in their arguments and then expect consistency from others.
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Old 02-14-2008, 12:18 PM   #35
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yeah joe. how dare these people
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Old 02-14-2008, 12:22 PM   #36
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I think Zorn should have total control over his staff....everyone. The way the article was written made me believe the skins should have told him that he wasn't going to be resigned so he could have pursued other opportunities. That is if they didn't like him. Sounds like they didn't like him by their actions, but i don't know.
Or because of his actions

But that's besides the point (and I don't think it's a matter of not liking each other). Thing is he did pursue other opportunities. Redskins offered him a one-year deal (yes, less than the other coaches) but an offer nonetheless. He said thanks, but let me see what else is out there. Now what if he had gone and signed with Tampa (mixed reports by the way on whether it was his call or Tampa's not to sign as the Bucs' RB coach. I don't know who they ended up signing but I know they really wanted to give the job to Alstott)? Would we be saying "Byner screwed us. We offered him a deal and now he's gone and signed with Tampa and f'd up our continuity"? Would we be saying "Byner could have been working with Zorn who was the offensive coordinator anyway, but instead he's out shopping his services"?
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Yeah it's sad to see him go, but if Mitchell doesn't have to learn the system as well as teach it that should be a benefit to our RB unit.
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Or because of his actions

But that's besides the point (and I don't think it's a matter of not liking each other). Thing is he did pursue other opportunities. Redskins offered him a one-year deal (yes, less than the other coaches) but an offer nonetheless. He said thanks, but let me see what else is out there. Now what if he had gone and signed with Tampa (mixed reports by the way on whether it was his call or Tampa's not to sign as the Bucs' RB coach. I don't know who they ended up signing but I know they really wanted to give the job to Alstott)? Would we be saying "Byner screwed us. We offered him a deal and now he's gone and signed with Tampa and f'd up our continuity"? Would we be saying "Byner could have been working with Zorn who was the offensive coordinator anyway, but instead he's out shopping his services"?
To me it sounds like we made him the offer. He wanted to see what he could do in Tampa. He came back we now have Zorn and Zorn wanted his guy so we pulled the offer.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:18 PM   #39
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To me it sounds like we made him the offer. He wanted to see what he could do in Tampa. He came back we now have Zorn and Zorn wanted his guy so we pulled the offer.
I guess I was thinking that Byner went in to sign the 1 year offer and then the skins pulled it, saying he has to go thru a process. Maybe i misread JLC.
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Or because of his actions

But that's besides the point (and I don't think it's a matter of not liking each other). Thing is he did pursue other opportunities. Redskins offered him a one-year deal (yes, less than the other coaches) but an offer nonetheless. He said thanks, but let me see what else is out there. Now what if he had gone and signed with Tampa (mixed reports by the way on whether it was his call or Tampa's not to sign as the Bucs' RB coach. I don't know who they ended up signing but I know they really wanted to give the job to Alstott)? Would we be saying "Byner screwed us. We offered him a deal and now he's gone and signed with Tampa and f'd up our continuity"? Would we be saying "Byner could have been working with Zorn who was the offensive coordinator anyway, but instead he's out shopping his services"?
If he wanted to see what else was out there, then the Skins hold no responsibility to keep him. Byner took a chance, and it bit him in the ass. I don't blame him for taking the chance, nor do I hold ill feelings. I still wish him the best, but we had to move on.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:28 PM   #41
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If he wanted to see what else was out there, then the Skins hold no responsibility to keep him. Byner took a chance, and it bit him in the ass. I don't blame him for taking the chance, nor do I hold ill feelings. I still wish him the best, but we had to move on.
I think that's what everyone, but JLC, is doing. It's like the "He who sall not be named" situation, but replace JLC with Offiss.
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For weeks, we complain about the HC not being allowed to choose his assistants. He brings in a guy he really wants on his staff...and now we're complaining about that.

But I understand the inconsistencies.

Still, there are so many dynamics to it all. It's not as simple as "Byner got screwed."

And JLC is upset primarily because one of his main "inside sources" is gone.
That's the sound of a nail being hit on its head
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Old 03-03-2008, 11:22 PM   #43
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Byner has landed in Tennessee

Titans Radio: Byner To Be Hired As Running Backs Coach
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Good luck EB.
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Good for EB. I'm glad he landed a gig.

I wish him well!
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