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Old 02-14-2008, 12:38 PM   #16
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Re: McIntosh and Rogers effect on player movement

I'd be suprised if we didn't bring in another CB to be a starter while Rogers recovers.. It was a good thing to rest Springs a little bit early in the season because he seemed fresher late in December. Smoot is a solid CB but I don't know that you want him on an island for 16 games. We need to sign a young vet or draft one on the first day to replace Springs after '08..

At LB I don't think we need Briggs but wouldn't be opposed to him coming in.. Washington's probably in his final year so we're going to have to address it in '09 anyways.. Blades is a solid backup to Fletcher so we're good there.. Unless we can pick up a strong side LB in the draft to develop quickly, I'd rather address it this free agency season if we can..
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:59 PM   #17
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I hope for a good corner that doesn't get beat every game. Rogers was taking up roster space... I want to let him go and fill his spot with someone much better.
We could...let him develop...

Again, a serious knee injury may keep him from developing, but we don't have to conclude at the end of his second season that he's a total bust (when he was the best player in our pathetic secondary that year).

I thought the first 7 games of 2007 gave us reason to think Rogers was developing. The knee injury is a definate setback, but lets wait until the end of 2008 to call Rogers a bust.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:01 PM   #18
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Springs was great down the stretch, and his INTs against Chicago really helped kickstart the playoff run.

I just hope he can stay healthy.
It's a long stretch...he hasn't been totally healthy since 2005 when he was the leagues top cover corner. I doubt he will ever be totally healthy again.

I'll be cool with whichever way we go with Springs, but I don't think we can count on him at this point.

SS says we should draft a corner in the first round--I'm not sure about that but I would definately bring in some competition. If we could get Trufant, that would be ideal.
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It's a long stretch...he hasn't been totally healthy since 2005 when he was the leagues top cover corner. I doubt he will ever be totally healthy again.

I'll be cool with whichever way we go with Springs, but I don't think we can count on him at this point.

SS says we should draft a corner in the first round--I'm not sure about that but I would definately bring in some competition. If we could get Trufant, that would be ideal.
I don't think I'd break the bank for a Trufant or Samuels. I think we could actually get a pretty solid DB in the 2nd or even 3rd round. Except those DBs probably wouldn't be as likely to contribute as soon as one of the guys I mentioned could be.
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I don't think I'd break the bank for a Trufant or Samuels. I think we could actually get a pretty solid DB in the 2nd or even 3rd round. Except those DBs probably wouldn't be as likely to contribute as soon as one of the guys I mentioned could be.
I don't think we can break the bank.

The key to this season is depth. Brian Kelly adds depth too, and wouldn't cost half as much as Trufant, who himself won't cost half as much as Samuel.

My issue is that sitting at 21, I'm not sure a guy like Talib is the be-all-end-all to our DB issues. We could certainly do a lot worse, but I have questions surrounding Talib...like if he's just a product of Kansas' success this year. Cason--I don't know very much about him, but I know he's been on the NFL radar for quite a few seasons now.

My main point of contention with the CB position is that it doesn't seem to be a great year for it (while it is a great year for DLmen), and we will know so much more about our CB needs at this point next year than we do right now.

Certainly, the depth at that position needs to be addressed in light of Rogers' injury, and using the 21st pick there would be a good use of the pick, but only if we land a guy who is everything we think he will be.

No idea who will be around at CB in the 2nd or 3rd round, and it seems that we would be even less likely that they would fit our long term needs.

It's looking like the FO is going to have to make a decision between CB or OL this year in the draft. The draft is deep enough at DL to assume we will spend a pick there, but if we take CB in the first round, I'm not sure that we can expect to get OL help. I'd personally prefer the OL help this year as compared to CB.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:35 PM   #21
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Nnamdi Asomugah is a really good CB in Oakland and his contract is up. Absent the Raiders putting the franchise tag on him, he will be a free agent and will probably command a lower price than Trufant and will certainly come cheaper than Samuels.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:38 PM   #22
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Yeah I mentioned Nnamdi a month or so back, but I thought he was pretty much guaranteed to get franchised? If not, then sure he'd be a great choice
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Old 02-14-2008, 03:09 PM   #23
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Re: McIntosh and Rogers effect on player movement

Don't know if someone already posted this somewhere else, but the Dolphins plan on releasing Thomas...

ESPN - Source: Dolphins to release Thomas after 11 seasons - NFL


Any thoughts? Is he worth going after to help an ailing McIntosh?
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35 years old (at the start of the 2008 season) with a history of concussions and migraines? I'll pass
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Don't know if someone already posted this somewhere else, but the Dolphins plan on releasing Thomas...

ESPN - Source: Dolphins to release Thomas after 11 seasons - NFL


Any thoughts? Is he worth going after to help an ailing McIntosh?
Yeah, I think we should.. Warrick Holdman was released earlier this week too.. We could put them together and have a great LB corp..






















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Don't know if someone already posted this somewhere else, but the Dolphins plan on releasing Thomas...

ESPN - Source: Dolphins to release Thomas after 11 seasons - NFL


Any thoughts? Is he worth going after to help an ailing McIntosh?
Zack, it's been a great ride, go ahead & hang up the cleasts & keep your health.
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ZT is a MLB. No need for him here.
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Interesting article on the health status of Carlos Roger and Rocky McIntosh. The most significant part of it was how it relates to keeping Shawn Springs and not going after Lance Briggs.....

"Cornerback Carlos Rogers likely won't be healthy for the start of the season, but linebacker Rocky McIntosh will. Rogers' prolonged absence makes the retention of high-priced cornerback Shawn Springs more likely, while McIntosh's earlier return makes the signing of free agent linebacker Lance Briggs of the Chicago Bears less likely."

McIntosh should be back long before Rogers*-*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

The uncertainty associated with the return of players coming off major injury makes it difficult to determine exactly where/how they're going to fit into the make-up of your roster both short & longterm. An absolute decision on Rogers, as well as McIntosh cannot immediately be determined, therefore a final decision on both of them will have to be delayed.

A decision on Briggs will no doubt be based on the health of McIntosh, as well as cap ramifications, same goes for Springs and Rogers when it comes to who to draft, or who to pursue in FA. The health/age issue is always a concern when it comes to Springs, notwithstanding his cap figure.

The decision to perhaps pursue CJ is based more on the inability of Moss to remain healthy, and be counted on as a # 1 receiver for extended periods of time.

There are injury concerns in other areas of the roster as well, and the decisions that need to be addressed will be the driving fore in FA as well as the draft.
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NFL Network Charles sumthing or other says we should get this corner with our first round pick

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Old 02-14-2008, 09:45 PM   #30
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I keep hearing about breaking the bank...it's possible the Danny is going to do it, so who would you rather him spend $$$ on, Lance Briggs or Asante Samuel. I wouldn't mind seeing Samuel, he's had good stats these past two seasons and would be a starter right away.
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