Coles Says Jets Lied to Him

BrudLee · 02-18-2008, 08:30 AM

Dirtbag -

My counterpoint was not intended to slight your point about Coles. Check the record here on our support of him when that news came out. IIRC we mods were zero tolerance on anyone who broached that subject matter in a lighthearted manner.

My point (and I do have one) is that Coles put himself in a bad situation here by demanding a trade when he didn't like the offense in 2004 (despite catching 90 passes, he thought he was being misused). He appears to be putting himself in a bad situation in New York now by stating he need to be taken care of financially, despite collecting more bonus money in the past five years than nearly every player in the game.

As a boy, Coles was the victim of an unspeakable crime. That is completely seperate from his professional travails now.

Dirtbag59 · 02-18-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BrudLee

Dirtbag -

My counterpoint was not intended to slight your point about Coles. Check the record here on our support of him when that news came out. IIRC we mods were zero tolerance on anyone who broached that subject matter in a lighthearted manner.

My point (and I do have one) is that Coles put himself in a bad situation here by demanding a trade when he didn't like the offense in 2004 (despite catching 90 passes, he thought he was being misused). He appears to be putting himself in a bad situation in New York now by stating he need to be taken care of financially, despite collecting more bonus money in the past five years than nearly every player in the game.

As a boy, Coles was the victim of an unspeakable crime. That is completely seperate from his professional travails now.

Like I said. I opened a can of worms and I'm sorry. I let my emotions get the best of me on a touchy subject. If anything I wish we could delete all my posts and the responses to the subject I brought up. This whole ordeal turned into an unintentional troll.

If anything the Warpath is a place for discussing Football, and more specifically Redskin football. My post is completly off topic and is relatively close to producing the same effect that the trolls produced during certain events over the past year.

Right now I just want to get back to talking Redskin football, and discuss how we're going to get rid of our picks this year.

celts32 · 02-18-2008, 11:15 AM

If Coles were a free agent now he would not get a big deal...he's not as good as he thinks he is and he's hit 30.

mcarey032 · 02-18-2008, 11:35 AM

Don't like Coles. Liked him when he came on board with the redskins, but began complaining about not getting enough balls???? 90 BALLS ISN"T ENOUGH? Then he wouldn't get surgery on his toe, which to this day hasn't healed right. It is not worth the trouble to get him involved.

Campbell17 · 02-18-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Wrong, he had TWO GREAT years with the SKINS. If you where to remember in 2003 he also made the Pro Bowl.

You would almost rather have BL.....huh, that piece of shit hasn't even had A GOOD GAME IN DC in two years!

An overexzageration, or however it is spelled. He was solid I guess but he has lost his touch.

GMScud · 02-18-2008, 01:19 PM

36 posts on this thread and no one has hit the real meat of this story. Coles isn't complaining that he's underpaid. He's complaining that the Jets lied to him and misled him about their intentions, stringing him along and repeatedly putting off an extension. If they promised him an extension, then praised him for his toughness and selflessness, then state their reason for not signing him as lack of production... that's pretty bogus if you ask me. Especially coming from a team with huge QB issues, and poor running game, and a lousy offensive line. It's not like he stunk up the joint with Peyton Manning throwing to him. Clemens is totally unproven and Pennington couldn't throw a football through a wet paper towel.

Coles is a leader on that team and the one constant on an otherwise anemic offense. They should resign him. He and Cotchery are a pretty good tandem. Bottom line is the Jets are cheap.

Mattyk · 02-18-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

36 posts on this thread and no one has hit the real meat of this story. Coles isn't complaining that he's underpaid. He's complaining that the Jets lied to him and misled him about their intentions, stringing him along and repeatedly putting of an extension. If they promised him an extension, then praised him for his toughness and selflessness, then state their reason for not signing him as lack of production... that's pretty bogus if you ask me. Especially coming from a team with huge QB issues, and poor running game, and a lousy offensive line. It's not like he stunk up the joint with Peyton Manning throwing to him. Clemens is totally unproven and Pennington couldn't throw a football through a wet paper towel.

Coles is a leader on that team and the one constant on an otherwise anemic offense. They should resign him. He and Cotchery are a pretty good tandem. Bottom line is the Jets are cheap.

I'm sure Pete Kendall would agree with that

BrudLee · 02-18-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

36 posts on this thread and no one has hit the real meat of this story. Coles isn't complaining that he's underpaid. He's complaining that the Jets lied to him and misled him about their intentions, stringing him along and repeatedly putting of an extension. If they promised him an extension, then praised him for his toughness and selflessness, then state their reason for not signing him as lack of production... that's pretty bogus if you ask me. Especially coming from a team with huge QB issues, and poor running game, and a lousy offensive line. It's not like he stunk up the joint with Peyton Manning throwing to him. Clemens is totally unproven and Pennington couldn't throw a football through a wet paper towel.

Coles is a leader on that team and the one constant on an otherwise anemic offense. They should resign him. He and Cotchery are a pretty good tandem. Bottom line is the Jets are cheap.

If they said they'd extend him and don't, it's a tough break. If they said they'd "take care of him," they have offered to guarantee his salary. That's a big deal.

Stuck in TX · 02-18-2008, 08:23 PM

did anyone see the Jets's official website a few years ago right before the Coles/Moss trade? there was a giant 87 and the words "Bring Back Coles". All I remember thinking is how bad that must have made Moss feel, and how much those fans liked Coles... I bet Coles wishes the Jets felt the same way.

fanatic · 02-19-2008, 03:59 PM

I love LC and would love to see him resigned. Let me remind everyone that the Jets drafted him and gave him time to develop even after no one wanted him because of the FSU Dilliard's incident and a battery charge. This is business folks. I can think of dozens of players recently who said that they were done wrong with contract negotiations, some on the Skins. The Jets offered to guarantee, yes a guarantee in the middle of his contract, for 2 years $11 million. Now that is rare and is far from 'cheap.'

Everything Coles says is true -- he's been a good player, a good leader, a guy who will play hurt. But he's hardly been underpaid. He's averaged about $5.5 million a year since the expiration of his rookie contract while averaging about 950 receiving yards a season and is scheduled to be paid as a top 15 WR in 2008. In two years, his best seasons will be behind him and extending him and giving him a raise is not prudent.

Coles is as tough as they come, but you Skins fans know all about the whining. He DEMANDED a trade after not being a big part of the Gibbs offense in 2004. Prior to that in 2003, he admitted to leaving the Jets "because the Redskins offered him more money." Where was HIS loyalty then?

Giantone · 02-19-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fanatic

I love LC and would love to see him resigned. Let me remind everyone that the Jets drafted him and gave him time to develop even after no one wanted him because of the FSU Dilliard's incident and a battery charge. This is business folks. I can think of dozens of players recently who said that they were done wrong with contract negotiations, some on the Skins. The Jets offered to guarantee, yes a guarantee in the middle of his contract, for 2 years $11 million. Now that is rare and is far from 'cheap.'

Everything Coles says is true -- he's been a good player, a good leader, a guy who will play hurt. But he's hardly been underpaid. He's averaged about $5.5 million a year since the expiration of his rookie contract while averaging about 950 receiving yards a season and is scheduled to be paid as a top 15 WR in 2008. In two years, his best seasons will be behind him and extending him and giving him a raise is not prudent.

Coles is as tough as they come, but you Skins fans know all about the whining. He DEMANDED a trade after not being a big part of the Gibbs offense in 2004. Prior to that in 2003, he admitted to leaving the Jets "because the Redskins offered him more money." Where was HIS loyalty then?

Did the Jets lie, who knows?AS far as football is concerned He has never been underpaid,he has never been happy anywhere he has gone and sure as hell has never been a team leader,he complains about something anything no matter where he goes.
I don't understand your post ,you say everything he says is true and then you make a case against it????

firstdown · 02-19-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

36 posts on this thread and no one has hit the real meat of this story. Coles isn't complaining that he's underpaid. He's complaining that the Jets lied to him and misled him about their intentions, stringing him along and repeatedly putting off an extension. If they promised him an extension, then praised him for his toughness and selflessness, then state their reason for not signing him as lack of production... that's pretty bogus if you ask me. Especially coming from a team with huge QB issues, and poor running game, and a lousy offensive line. It's not like he stunk up the joint with Peyton Manning throwing to him. Clemens is totally unproven and Pennington couldn't throw a football through a wet paper towel.

Coles is a leader on that team and the one constant on an otherwise anemic offense. They should resign him. He and Cotchery are a pretty good tandem. Bottom line is the Jets are cheap.

He still has two years left on his deal why would the Jets extend his deal at this time? Maybe next year he has something to complain about but not with two years left. If he thought his numbers would increase over the next two years do you think he would be complaining about a new deal?

GMScud · 02-19-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

He still has two years left on his deal why would the Jets extend his deal at this time? Maybe next year he has something to complain about but not with two years left. If he thought his numbers would increase over the next two years do you think he would be complaining about a new deal?

My point is the Jets were either intentionally misleading him or putting him off. Most likely both. And that's a shitty thing to do to a team leader (he is on the Jets btw, although not here in Wash) who leaves it all on the field every Sunday, hurt or not. It's not like he's a fringe player or a bad apple. He can go vertical, over the middle, block, play hurt, has strong hands... Look, Coles is a great player. Underrated. And the Jets are apparently doing him dirty. That's all I'm saying. I never once said he's underpaid.

That Guy · 02-20-2008, 01:29 AM

how is guaranteeing 11$mill over two yaers for a 30 year old WR being cheap? i mean, come on.

hagams · 02-20-2008, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Poor Coles. I liked him as a Redskin. I think he needed a good Doc. to fix his toe and stay off of it. In any event, didn't he leave the team bad mouthing the owner and organization? Didn't he say something along the lines of " I should never have left the Jets" also. Have fun Coles enjoy the team you should have never left.

Poor-Coles-My-Ass. This guy is a bum. He doesn't deserve Brandon Lloyd money, wait....neither did Lloyd.

02-18-2008, 08:30 AM	#31
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: Coles Says Jets Lied to Him Dirtbag - My counterpoint was not intended to slight your point about Coles. Check the record here on our support of him when that news came out. IIRC we mods were zero tolerance on anyone who broached that subject matter in a lighthearted manner. My point (and I do have one) is that Coles put himself in a bad situation here by demanding a trade when he didn't like the offense in 2004 (despite catching 90 passes, he thought he was being misused). He appears to be putting himself in a bad situation in New York now by stating he need to be taken care of financially, despite collecting more bonus money in the past five years than nearly every player in the game. As a boy, Coles was the victim of an unspeakable crime. That is completely seperate from his professional travails now. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

02-18-2008, 11:15 AM	#33
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 41 Posts: 2,644	Re: Coles Says Jets Lied to Him If Coles were a free agent now he would not get a big deal...he's not as good as he thinks he is and he's hit 30. __________________ Section 115 Row 23 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” http://victorybeer.com/

02-18-2008, 11:35 AM	#34
mcarey032 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 215	Re: Coles Says Jets Lied to Him Don't like Coles. Liked him when he came on board with the redskins, but began complaining about not getting enough balls???? 90 BALLS ISN"T ENOUGH? Then he wouldn't get surgery on his toe, which to this day hasn't healed right. It is not worth the trouble to get him involved.

02-18-2008, 01:19 PM	#36
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Age: 34 Posts: 12,623	Re: Coles Says Jets Lied to Him 36 posts on this thread and no one has hit the real meat of this story. Coles isn't complaining that he's underpaid. He's complaining that the Jets lied to him and misled him about their intentions, stringing him along and repeatedly putting off an extension. If they promised him an extension, then praised him for his toughness and selflessness, then state their reason for not signing him as lack of production... that's pretty bogus if you ask me. Especially coming from a team with huge QB issues, and poor running game, and a lousy offensive line. It's not like he stunk up the joint with Peyton Manning throwing to him. Clemens is totally unproven and Pennington couldn't throw a football through a wet paper towel. Coles is a leader on that team and the one constant on an otherwise anemic offense. They should resign him. He and Cotchery are a pretty good tandem. Bottom line is the Jets are cheap. __________________ Insert witty signature here

02-18-2008, 08:23 PM	#39
Stuck in TX Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Age: 27 Posts: 545	Re: Coles Says Jets Lied to Him did anyone see the Jets's official website a few years ago right before the Coles/Moss trade? there was a giant 87 and the words "Bring Back Coles". All I remember thinking is how bad that must have made Moss feel, and how much those fans liked Coles... I bet Coles wishes the Jets felt the same way. __________________ We will miss you Sean. RIP 1983-2007 REMEMBER VT Go Hokies

02-19-2008, 03:59 PM	#40
fanatic Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3	Re: Coles Says Jets Lied to Him I love LC and would love to see him resigned. Let me remind everyone that the Jets drafted him and gave him time to develop even after no one wanted him because of the FSU Dilliard's incident and a battery charge. This is business folks. I can think of dozens of players recently who said that they were done wrong with contract negotiations, some on the Skins. The Jets offered to guarantee, yes a guarantee in the middle of his contract, for 2 years $11 million. Now that is rare and is far from 'cheap.' Everything Coles says is true -- he's been a good player, a good leader, a guy who will play hurt. But he's hardly been underpaid. He's averaged about $5.5 million a year since the expiration of his rookie contract while averaging about 950 receiving yards a season and is scheduled to be paid as a top 15 WR in 2008. In two years, his best seasons will be behind him and extending him and giving him a raise is not prudent. Coles is as tough as they come, but you Skins fans know all about the whining. He DEMANDED a trade after not being a big part of the Gibbs offense in 2004. Prior to that in 2003, he admitted to leaving the Jets "because the Redskins offered him more money." Where was HIS loyalty then?

02-20-2008, 01:29 AM	#44
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,642	Re: Coles Says Jets Lied to Him how is guaranteeing 11$mill over two yaers for a 30 year old WR being cheap? i mean, come on. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

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