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Old 02-20-2008, 12:12 AM   #76
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Finally! Why didn't you just state that from the start?

You're getting snippy with me I see. But this to me isn't about Snyder. And you probably think I'm arguing with you in order to defend Snyder. I'm not. That argument has played itself out.

I know you're very critical of the team and tend to believe we've lucked into whatever successed we've had in recent years and when we win we win in spite of ourselves. But this isn't even about that. This is just about the premise of your argument. What bothers me is that I know you're too smart to resort to something so simplistic as "well 50-62" when there are so many more factors involved. Namely, how did a team progress/regress over the course of that owner's tenure.
No, I'm not getting snippy. I wouldn't do this if it weren't so much fun.

Look, it may surprise you to learn that I do sometimes see that there may be glimpses -- short, scattering, faint glimpses -- of signs that Snyder might just be starting to get the hang of this thing. I do see progress in two playoff seasons out of the past three. On the other hand, I also believe that those two successful campaigns were built on pure emotion, and didn't come until their backs were against the wall; one under heart-wrenching circumstances which tore at their souls. 2008 will soon tell us if it was a flash in the pan, or if we're back on the path to dominance the way we saw it back in the '80s.

But then, I'm a skeptic at heart. We may never see the success of the '80s again. When we start seeing sustained success, I'll change my tune.

Until then, Lil' Danny will never escape my wrath.
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:37 AM   #77
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Walker is oft injured and a complainer. Hackett is only 26 but played in just 6 games last year. In those 6 games he did manage about 400 yards and 3 TDs. He could be had for cheap and knows Zorn's stuff well. Walker will cost a lot more, gets hurt a lot, and turns 30 this year.
I'm officially on board with going after Hackett. Yes he's had injury issues but when healthy the guy is a player and he won't cost us a ton either.

He's got good size (6'2, 208) and he's only 26. I think he's a good gamble.
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:23 AM   #78
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What about Justin Smith from Cinci? Everyone thought he was getting the tag but they ended up putting it on a backup lineman.
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:37 AM   #79
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I'm officially on board with going after Hackett. Yes he's had injury issues but when healthy the guy is a player and he won't cost us a ton either.

He's got good size (6'2, 208) and he's only 26. I think he's a good gamble.
And he's familiar with Zorn
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And he's familiar with Zorn
Yup. I hope he's on our radar.
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:07 AM   #81
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You should also note that while the average record for a hypothetical team in a season is 8-8, that doesn't account for the fact that the median team in the NFL tends to be a 7-9 team. This is because the elite teams win more games than the awful teams lose. That is to say, that the average NFL team is inevitably more likely to lose to the worst team in the NFL than they are to beat the best team in the NFL. This makes sense, does it not?

Therefore the prototypically average NFL franchise will win about 47% of it's games in the free agency era. The Redskins have won 47% of their games in the Snyder era. I would agree with you that it would be irresponsible to credit Snyder for the success in 1999, but the Redskins are still (give or take) the average NFL franchise in his era.

Maybe average isn't good enough for you, but I don't think that's the argument you are trying to make.
U make an excellent point here. While its easy to overblow the mistakes that management makes and overlook their successes (from a qualitative standpoint), I think it's wise to take a closer look at misleading numbers. I think one of the most skewed stats is win pct, especially when people try to use it to gauge how good a team is in a given season. Unlike college football, the pro game doesn't take into account SOS and margin of victory when counting simple wins and lossesn to try to decide how good a team is. These stats really show how good a team is in my opinion. (Obviously I know the college system is flawed and the NFL does a better job, yata yata yata, i'm just making a point about the metric used.)

The skins situation is unfortunate at times b/c we are in a tough division...don't tell me that we wouldnt have had more success in the Snyder era if we were in the AFC east or NFC west (instead of New England or Seattle respectively). I don't mean to use this as an excuse for our performance but before people start tearin apart our franchise, i think we need to take a closer look at the numbers.
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I agree, that would be a good move. But would he be our #1 guy or would santana remain and move el to the slot? I'm not so sure hackett is that elite receiver we're desperately looking for, in other words teams wont be rolling coverage to him. Granted he is young and could develop into a monster but im not so sure..
I'm not sure who would be the #1, it might not really matter though.

I definitely like the sound of ARE moving back to the slot. That's really where he belongs and can be the most effective.
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:51 AM   #83
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i really don't want to do this.... but my friend told me Atlanta is trying to trade Dangelo Hall. if we could do this without losing a first round pick, i would do this in a heartbeat. he has been to the pro bowl twice, and i think he is only 24. sorry, no link
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:19 AM   #84
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I wouldn't touch Hall. Overrated and a pain in the ass.
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:16 PM   #85
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I'm officially on board with going after Hackett. Yes he's had injury issues but when healthy the guy is a player and he won't cost us a ton either.

He's got good size (6'2, 208) and he's only 26. I think he's a good gamble.
So my question is, if we got Hackett, would we still go after a WR in the draft? I say no. Seattle's pass offense is one of the best around, with average names like Bobby Engram catching 90+ balls. Obviously we need a big wideout who can contribute. Can Hackett fill that role? I say yes, and he can help Moss and ARE get up to speed quickly. If we snagged Hackett, IMO that would open the door to go after a CB or D-lineman in the first round.

Between Moss, ARE, and Cooley we have a mountain of money tied up in pass catchers. Hackett is a sound move. Like you said Matty, he's big, young, and knows the offense and Zorn. And he went to the same high school as Bill & Ted- San Dimas High School football rules!!
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i really don't want to do this.... but my friend told me Atlanta is trying to trade Dangelo Hall. if we could do this without losing a first round pick, i would do this in a heartbeat. he has been to the pro bowl twice, and i think he is only 24. sorry, no link
We talked about this a few months ago I think. Falcons have been shopping Hall around now for a while. They reportedly offered him to the Redskins around the trading deadline for a first rounder. They got a quick no from the Skins.
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So my question is, if we got Hackett, would we still go after a WR in the draft? I say no. Seattle's pass offense is one of the best around, with average names like Bobby Engram catching 90+ balls. Obviously we need a big wideout who can contribute. Can Hackett fill that role? I say yes, and he can help Moss and ARE get up to speed quickly. If we snagged Hackett, IMO that would open the door to go after a CB or D-lineman in the first round.

Between Moss, ARE, and Cooley we have a mountain of money tied up in pass catchers. Hackett is a sound move. Like you said Matty, he's big, young, and knows the offense and Zorn. And he went to the same high school as Bill & Ted- San Dimas High School football rules!!
I would say no to that too.

I would feel ok with a WR corps of something like Moss, Hackett, Randle El, Mix, and Espy.
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This is why I hate how our threads get this long. How does a Jared Allen thread turn into Hackett talk?
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I would say no to that too.

I would feel ok with a WR corps of something like Moss, Hackett, Randle El, Mix, and Espy.
I agree, although I'd like to see Caldwell get a chance to compete for a roster spot too. I know there are a lot of Espy fans around here, but Caldwell has more experience and polish. I hope Mix works his ass off in OTAs and gets together for some offseason workouts with Cambpell. The guy is 6-5 235lbs. How fun would it be to see him, well, in the mix?
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:39 PM   #90
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This is why I hate how our threads get this long. How does a Jared Allen thread turn into Hackett talk?
LOL. This thread hasn't been about Jared Allen for about 40 posts. It should be called the Allen/Beemnseven vs. SmootSmack/DJ Hackett hybrid. Or something like that.
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