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Old 02-19-2008, 03:05 PM   #31
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Personally, I just hope Zorn has a slant route in his offense.
Right! I agree that in 2005 we HAD to be one of the best screen teams ever. Remember the KC game? We lost but I think I remember SM taking a screen pass 70+ yards for a TD.

But, wtf, the 'Skins have run, like, 3 slant routes since JG came back. It always seemed that ARE was really good with the slant routes but IMO he's more of a slot type receiver as opposed to an outside guy.

I believe a big, tall, wideout that will actually CATCH what JC throws at him would be a godsend. Look at what Greg Jennings did for Favre this year! Didn't matter how bad the pass Favre threw was, that boy caught it anyway. That's what we need. An X-Factor type guy I guess. A big play guy. That would either free up Moss or ARE or BOTH on the outside and get Moss back to doing what he does best, smoke fools down the sidelines.
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Old 02-19-2008, 03:08 PM   #32
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I love that comment! Being stuck here in St Louis, I know first hand how the Lambs avoid contact. I think Isaac Bruce perfected the technique and taught it to Torry Holt, who took it to another level.
Hahaha....that's too funny.
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Old 02-19-2008, 03:31 PM   #33
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I agree with you, most of the recent success should be credited to the system rather then the player. Dont get me wrong Welker is really good, but how good is he on an average middle of the pack team?????
I wasn't really pointing to the fact that it could be to the system but more so that he has only started in 17 games and 13 last year. If he can put up those number again next year then maybe he gets elevated as a very good WR but 17 games is not very much to judge him by. Heck if we only went by 17 games then JC needs to go.
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Old 02-19-2008, 03:39 PM   #34
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I wasn't really pointing to the fact that it could be to the system but more so that he has only started in 17 games and 13 last year. If he can put up those number again next year then maybe he gets elevated as a very good WR but 17 games is not very much to judge him by. Heck if we only went by 17 games then JC needs to go.
I should have put a period after "I agree with you". Because everything I wrote after that was based on my own thoughts of the player. I hear what you are saying as well and think he needs to show us more before we crown him!
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Old 02-19-2008, 03:59 PM   #36
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What do "IMO" mean
In my opinion.
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I always wondered why we got away from all the screens we threw to Moss and Cooley in 2005. We were probably the best screen team in the league that year. I wonder if Zorn's system will run anything similar.
Agree with you here...

We perfected the screen. Remember the KC game where Santana took a couple of them for huge gains?

We molded a great deal of our offense around the screen, and the fake screen. It's also a great play when you've got lineman as athletic as we do, and a gadget guy like ARE. I'm def on the "bring back the screen" bandwagon.

EDIT: looks like JGlordoftherings beat me to it.
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Can the Oline block like the patriots?
I hope not. Our offense is predicated on the running game and if you remember the Patriots running game struggled throughout the year. They were great at pass protection but sometimes I wonder if the emphasis on passing the ball took time out of practice to go over run blocking.

Also Santana Moss is just as good as Wes Welker, and in my opinion, probably better. Wes Welker has never had a 1,400+ yard season as far as I can recall. Plus Welker just had his best season as a #2 catching passes from Tom Brady. On top of that Moss had his 1,400 yard season catching balls from Mark Brunell.
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Can Moss be Welker for us?---No.

We don't really have any other big WR threats. I like the idea of getting a big n' strong WR to play 1st WR, Randle El in the Slot, and Moss as the #2. He would be playing lesser skilled CB's, and that would allow Randle El to make the moves he likes to do over the middle. I still think he's one of more explosive guys.
But, like it was said above, we need the passer and the O-line to play big before anything else can happen.
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Old 02-19-2008, 04:07 PM   #41
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Welker is fearless going over the middle, doesn't drop passes and doesn't get hurt. So I would say no.
I tend to agree w/ you. I'm not sure you can say w/out question that SM is better than WW.

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Old 02-19-2008, 04:10 PM   #42
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I always wondered why we got away from all the screens we threw to Moss and Cooley in 2005. We were probably the best screen team in the league that year. I wonder if Zorn's system will run anything similar.
That was the MB special and it did work. I don't know. I think teams did adjust but then we just stopped doing it last year. It got blown up alot in 2006 i believe.

Hope we get back to it a little more. With a guy like Moss we should be able to break one more often.
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Nope.
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Old 02-19-2008, 04:34 PM   #44
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Re: Can Santana Moss be Wes Welker?

I'm sure Moss can be the Welker of Miami!

He sucked kinda back then didn't he? So what does that say?

Brady and Offensive system major reason for Welker sucess, right?
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Re: Can Santana Moss be Wes Welker?

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Without a doubt Santana Moss can outplay Welker in the same situation.

The real issues are:
Can Campbell play like brady?
Can the Oline block like the patriots?
Can Randle El draw a double/triple team like Moss?
I totally agree that Moss would be better than Welker if they traded spots, and it wouldn't be close. Welker is great in the slot because he's extremely quick, but he's not particularly fast. He also has two 4.3 guys (Randy Moss and Donte Stallworth) occupying the DB's downfield which isolates him against linebackers. Don't get me wrong, Welker had an incredible season, but he would be a severe liability as a #1 receiver in any offense. Imagine ANY linebacker trying to keep up with Santana in the slot. 'Nuff said.
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