Dream (but Realistic) Offseason

sandtrapjack · 02-19-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, he's producing at about the rate of a "depth" guy. 51 receptions for 728 yards and 1 touchdown?

Honestly, the Redskins could cut him and there wouldn't be that much of a difference on the field.

He may be producing like a depth guy, but he is being paid like a #2 WR. Most #2's in the league don't make as much as Randle El.

And if you cut him, all you do is add to the dead money that is a majority of the salary cap overage.

Kinda of like a divorce. You want it, you need it, but can't afford it.

"It's cheaper to keep'er"

That Guy · 02-20-2008, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DC52

Briggs arrival wouldn't mean Rocky's being benched. McIntosh at best would be back to play a few games next year. Let him work his way back up and sign Briggs to a one year deal so he will be leaving at the time Rocky's ready to come back at full starting strength. Wilford and Johnson wouldn't be a waste. Their size and soft hands could be very useful in the redzones or when we need a clutch catch. I'm not say Moss and Randle El are better or worse but I do remember their size being an issue at one time and they each dropped some catchable balls when we really needed a big play this past season. A little depth and more options never hurt a WR corp.

are you kidding? sign briggs to a one year deal? that's about 180 degrees away from what he's looking for and he'd NEVER accept that. why do you think he's making such a huge deal about not wanting to be franchised?

wilford hasn't proven he's any better than what we have. and yes, depth at that price (4 WRs averaging 6mill a year, another making at least 3mill) would kill our ability to do much else with the roster.

That Guy · 02-20-2008, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'll have to check out Toler and Mann (I've got lots of work to do familiarizing myself with all these new prospects).

I guess I've lost patience with Randle El. When we signed him up in '06, I always referred to him as the Lexus when a Camry would have done just fine. We had decent special teams last year, and he never did find the endzone or provide any sort of spark on returns. I can't tell you how many times during the past season I found myself saying, "boy, we could sure use a big return from Randle El here" -- but it never materialized. And yes, I understand the cap hit we would take if he were released, so that's not going to happen. I just don't think there would be that big of a difference in actual on-field production if he were somehow no longer on the roster.

McMullen is a Virginia boy, so he's OK in my book. I like Reche too. He came up for us big in some spots last year.

you realize we bid against ourselves on el, and gave him a 6 year 31mill deal when chicago only offered him a 3 year 8mill deal right?

he's probably the best #3 WR in the league, but he's a lower end #2. it's not his fault he got overpaid though.

SmootSmack · 02-20-2008, 02:11 AM

Well, this is probably more dream than realistic but...

I'd like to see how much Jake Scott (Colts) would set us back and of course...

I wouldn't be me if I didn't say let's go after Justin Smith! He's not the greatest pass rusher (though he's underrated in that regard) but he is (in my opinion) one of the most versatile every down defensive linemen in the league. He can play the run and the pass effectively well. You could even slide him into a DT role on some plays. Someone like Smith can really free things up for the defense to make plays.

Lance Briggs is a tempting option but I think maybe we should take a look at Calvin Pace. The big question marks with him of course are what exactly is he (DE or LB?) and were his 2007 numbers because it was a contract year?

Draftwise, I'm pretty torn. My general beliefs are pretty consistent (focus on getting a DB and line depth) but the players tend to vary. Today, I'll say 1st round-DB Antoine Cason, 2nd round-OT Mike McGlynn, 3rd round-WR Earl Bennett, 5th round-DT Marcus Harrison, 6th round-Another Guard, 7th round-Some QB (Erik Ainge? first name that came to mind)

mauiRedskinbarn · 02-20-2008, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, this is probably more dream than realistic but...

I'd like to see how much Jake Scott (Colts) would set us back and of course...

I wouldn't be me if I didn't say let's go after Justin Smith! He's not the greatest pass rusher (though he's underrated in that regard) but he is (in my opinion) one of the most versatile every down defensive linemen in the league. He can play the run and the pass effectively well. You could even slide him into a DT role on some plays. Someone like Smith can really free things up for the defense to make plays.

Lance Briggs is a tempting option but I think maybe we should take a look at Calvin Pace. The big question marks with him of course are what exactly is he (DE or LB?) and were his 2007 numbers because it was a contract year?

Draftwise, I'm pretty torn. My general beliefs are pretty consistent (focus on getting a DB and line depth) but the players tend to vary. Today, I'll say 1st round-DB Antoine Cason, 2nd round-OT Mike McGlynn, 3rd round-WR Earl Bennett, 5th round-DT Marcus Harrison, 6th round-Another Guard, 7th round-Some QB (Erik Ainge? first name that came to mind)

are u kidding me, Calvin Pace? who, we don't need another marcus washington. Antoine Cason, c'mon bro, u can do better than that, maybe in the 2nd round but not the 1st. there are about 5 CB's better than him: Aqib Cromartie, Jenkins, Flowers and the dude from Troy, then Cason. Earl Bennett had less than 10 touchdowns in his carrer at Vanderbilt. And Justin Smith is not available. screw Ainge too, lets start developing the most accurate quarterback in this years draft, Colt Brennen. I sure hope your dream remains just that.

Beemnseven · 02-20-2008, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mauiRedskinbarn

are u kidding me, Calvin Pace? who, we don't need another marcus washington. Antoine Cason, c'mon bro, u can do better than that, maybe in the 2nd round but not the 1st. there are about 5 CB's better than him: Aqib Cromartie, Jenkins, Flowers and the dude from Troy, then Cason. Earl Bennett had less than 10 touchdowns in his carrer at Vanderbilt. And Justin Smith is not available. screw Ainge too, lets start developing the most accurate quarterback in this years draft, Colt Brennen. I sure hope your dream remains just that.

At times, it seems that Marcus Washington has lost a step or two. Injuries have slowed him down a bit, so it might be a good idea to groom his eventual replacement. Getting a hybrid LB/DE in his mold could be on the list of needs, but a bit further down from O-line help, secondary, and wide receiver.

SmootSmack · 02-20-2008, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mauiRedskinbarn

are u kidding me, Calvin Pace? who, we don't need another marcus washington. Antoine Cason, c'mon bro, u can do better than that, maybe in the 2nd round but not the 1st. there are about 5 CB's better than him: Aqib Cromartie, Jenkins, Flowers and the dude from Troy, then Cason. Earl Bennett had less than 10 touchdowns in his carrer at Vanderbilt. And Justin Smith is not available. screw Ainge too, lets start developing the most accurate quarterback in this years draft, Colt Brennen. I sure hope your dream remains just that.

Marcus Washington wasn't bad when we first got him

I think Cason would be one of the top DBs available left when we draft. If one of the others mentioned above is there sure, but they all may be taken by then

I know Earl Bennett doesn't have a lot of TDs but that doesn't mean he's not a good prospect for the middle rounds

Since when is Justin Smith not available?

Ainge was just a name I threw out there as a 7th round pick. SEVENTH ROUND.

Why am I arguing with the same person who has said we need LaVar back (I really hope you were joking) and suggested we trade Betts for PacMan Jones, Jacob Bell, and Antwan Odom?

BeastsoftheNFCeast · 02-20-2008, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

you realize we bid against ourselves on el, and gave him a 6 year 31mill deal when chicago only offered him a 3 year 8mill deal right?

he's probably the best #3 WR in the league, but he's a lower end #2. it's not his fault he got overpaid though.

Haha, best #3 in the league, im pretty sure chris wilson beat him out for the 2 spot in pitt, and wilson is my definition of an average number 3.

Mattyk · 02-20-2008, 08:27 AM

If all we're looking for is a tall WR just stick with developing Mix.

Wilford is very mediocre.

sportscurmudgeon · 02-20-2008, 10:46 AM

If all you are looking for is a tall WR, go get a 7-foot center from a basketball program. Sound stupid? Of course it does. Tall is only one thing that can make a receiver any good.

Randle-El is NOT the best #3 receiver in the NFL. Consider that the Pats start Moss, Stallworth, Welker. I don't care who the #3 for the Pats is, Randle-El can't carry the jock-strap of whomever you put in that #3 role.

sandtrapjack · 02-20-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by NIKNIK_28

Well I have been checking this site out for months, and as you can see by my posts im a cherry....But was not sure how to post this but cnnsi is reporting Dante Hall and the Falcons are entertaing trade offers, he said he would not play next year with only a year remaining on his contract without a long term deal. I think this guy is a beast, no stranger to the area, and DS would give him the Cash and the long term contract he seeks...Any thoughts

Got a link? I can't find the article on Hall at CNNSI.COM

Hall is another head case. He has always been very confrontational with the coaches. I seem to remember him getting into some trouble for a shouting match with the coach this season.

He's got skills, no doubt. But his mouth can sometimes get in the way of common sense.

skinsfan242 · 02-20-2008, 12:44 PM

I must say after reading all this. Some of you think becoming Offseason Champions is the way to go. We have 21 starters back. We just need a few key plugs and insert some youth to develop we don't need an overhaul. We are 9-7 with our best Offensive lineman injured, a solid OT injured, a back-up QB, a starting LB and CB injured, and only one half of area 51.

Adding a DT, some good youth to the Oline and Dline as backups, maybe a LG upgrade, a temporary starting LB, a playmaker in the secondary, and a BIG receiver is all we need.

Those needs can easily be filled, we don't have to go out and pick up every FA.

SmootSmack · 02-20-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mauiRedskinbarn

are u kidding me, Calvin Pace? who, we don't need another marcus washington. Antoine Cason, c'mon bro, u can do better than that, maybe in the 2nd round but not the 1st. there are about 5 CB's better than him: Aqib Cromartie, Jenkins, Flowers and the dude from Troy, then Cason. Earl Bennett had less than 10 touchdowns in his carrer at Vanderbilt. And Justin Smith is not available. screw Ainge too, lets start developing the most accurate quarterback in this years draft, Colt Brennen. I sure hope your dream remains just that.

By the way I just noticed you said less than 10 TDs in his career at Vandy for Bennett. Where are you getting your info from? He had around 20 TDs over his 3 year Commodore career.

halodoc · 02-20-2008, 02:37 PM

wilford by the way is like brandon llyod ,makes great spectaulr catches every know and then ,but isnt consistent at all.but hes not a head case like lloyd and im sure hed be alot cheper then lloyd.but in actually talent wise i dont see a difference.i still think there gonna sign dj hackett to teach the system. dj hacket is 6- 2 208 and is 26 , in o5 28 rec for 400 yrds 2td ,o6 45 rec 610 yrds 4td ,07 32 rec 384 yrds 3 td. nothing flashie but hell come cheap ,bring that hieght everones talking about and can teach the sytem and is still younger entering i think his 4th yr of nfl experence. e. wilford is 6-4 218 and is 29 ,in o5 41 rec for 681 yrds and 7tds ,in o6 36 rec for 524 yrds and 2 tds ,in o7 45 rec for 518 yrds and 3tds. so neither would come in and tear it up ,but dj is younger ,proberly a little cheaper ,and might want to be here with zorn to teach there west coast off.

freddyg12 · 02-20-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan242

I must say after reading all this. Some of you think becoming Offseason Champions is the way to go. We have 21 starters back. We just need a few key plugs and insert some youth to develop we don't need an overhaul. We are 9-7 with our best Offensive lineman injured, a solid OT injured, a back-up QB, a starting LB and CB injured, and only one half of area 51.

Adding a DT, some good youth to the Oline and Dline as backups, maybe a LG upgrade, a temporary starting LB, a playmaker in the secondary, and a BIG receiver is all we need.

Those needs can easily be filled, we don't have to go out and pick up every FA.

I feel ya. I actually wouldn't mind in the end if we didn't sign any free agents. In the short term however, what news would we read about in the offseason?

02-20-2008, 02:11 AM	#49
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Dream (but Realistic) Offseason Well, this is probably more dream than realistic but... I'd like to see how much Jake Scott (Colts) would set us back and of course... I wouldn't be me if I didn't say let's go after Justin Smith! He's not the greatest pass rusher (though he's underrated in that regard) but he is (in my opinion) one of the most versatile every down defensive linemen in the league. He can play the run and the pass effectively well. You could even slide him into a DT role on some plays. Someone like Smith can really free things up for the defense to make plays. Lance Briggs is a tempting option but I think maybe we should take a look at Calvin Pace. The big question marks with him of course are what exactly is he (DE or LB?) and were his 2007 numbers because it was a contract year? Draftwise, I'm pretty torn. My general beliefs are pretty consistent (focus on getting a DB and line depth) but the players tend to vary. Today, I'll say 1st round-DB Antoine Cason, 2nd round-OT Mike McGlynn, 3rd round-WR Earl Bennett, 5th round-DT Marcus Harrison, 6th round-Another Guard, 7th round-Some QB (Erik Ainge? first name that came to mind) __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

02-20-2008, 08:27 AM	#54
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,751	Re: Dream (but Realistic) Offseason If all we're looking for is a tall WR just stick with developing Mix. Wilford is very mediocre. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

02-20-2008, 10:46 AM	#55
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Dream (but Realistic) Offseason If all you are looking for is a tall WR, go get a 7-foot center from a basketball program. Sound stupid? Of course it does. Tall is only one thing that can make a receiver any good. Randle-El is NOT the best #3 receiver in the NFL. Consider that the Pats start Moss, Stallworth, Welker. I don't care who the #3 for the Pats is, Randle-El can't carry the jock-strap of whomever you put in that #3 role. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

02-20-2008, 12:44 PM	#57
skinsfan242 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 152	Re: Dream (but Realistic) Offseason I must say after reading all this. Some of you think becoming Offseason Champions is the way to go. We have 21 starters back. We just need a few key plugs and insert some youth to develop we don't need an overhaul. We are 9-7 with our best Offensive lineman injured, a solid OT injured, a back-up QB, a starting LB and CB injured, and only one half of area 51. Adding a DT, some good youth to the Oline and Dline as backups, maybe a LG upgrade, a temporary starting LB, a playmaker in the secondary, and a BIG receiver is all we need. Those needs can easily be filled, we don't have to go out and pick up every FA.

02-20-2008, 02:37 PM	#59
halodoc Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: md Age: 32 Posts: 71	Re: Dream (but Realistic) Offseason wilford by the way is like brandon llyod ,makes great spectaulr catches every know and then ,but isnt consistent at all.but hes not a head case like lloyd and im sure hed be alot cheper then lloyd.but in actually talent wise i dont see a difference.i still think there gonna sign dj hackett to teach the system. dj hacket is 6- 2 208 and is 26 , in o5 28 rec for 400 yrds 2td ,o6 45 rec 610 yrds 4td ,07 32 rec 384 yrds 3 td. nothing flashie but hell come cheap ,bring that hieght everones talking about and can teach the sytem and is still younger entering i think his 4th yr of nfl experence. e. wilford is 6-4 218 and is 29 ,in o5 41 rec for 681 yrds and 7tds ,in o6 36 rec for 524 yrds and 2 tds ,in o7 45 rec for 518 yrds and 3tds. so neither would come in and tear it up ,but dj is younger ,proberly a little cheaper ,and might want to be here with zorn to teach there west coast off. __________________ i like pie !

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