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Old 02-21-2008, 10:36 AM   #31
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Seems like the Lions are engaging in a "tough negotiation stance." However the way I see it, the guys pretty much there for the taking especially with the price for elite WR's set at a 4th round pick. Second Round pick should be enough to "blow them away."

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"Other news includes the rumor that Lions wide receiver Roy Williams is on the trading block, and one report said Detroit would look for a second-round pick in return. Williams played for two seasons under former Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, who's now with the 49ers, so would the 49ers look to make a deal for Williams?"

Should we start a Roy Williams thread, because the Bryant Johnson thread is getting jacked?
No because it's not going to happen. Det. is entertaining offers. That doesn't mean a damn thing. Every team would entertain offers for almost anyone. NE might entertain offers for Tom Brady if someone gave up 5 1st round draft picks.
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Old 02-21-2008, 10:44 AM   #32
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What he did in college has nothing to do with professional football. He just hasn't shown enough to deserve a big contract. We already paid big $ to ARE and Lloyd and both have never ever shown anything to deserve it. I hope our FO is real careful chasing FA Wr's. But you know someone that has some $ to spend is going to overpay him. I hope it's not us.
I would agree that we overpaid for Lloyd because he hasn't done anything more than James Thrash has.

But the ARE contract, $10 million bonus, is about right for a #2 WR these days. I would disagree with the notion that we're not getting our money's worth from him.
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Old 02-21-2008, 01:28 PM   #33
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I would agree that we overpaid for Lloyd because he hasn't done anything more than James Thrash has.

But the ARE contract, $10 million bonus, is about right for a #2 WR these days. I would disagree with the notion that we're not getting our money's worth from him.
I would say in general we haven't got enough production out of all the wr's the last two years.
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:11 PM   #34
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I would say in general we haven't got enough production out of all the wr's the last two years.
OK, then that's really an indictment of Brandon Lloyd more than anything, and to some extent Santana Moss. But unless you're alleging Bryant Johnson is going to be another Brandon Lloyd, that's no reason not to sign him.

I just don't get your point, it's not making any sense. What are you suggesting the Skins do about it?
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OK, then that's really an indictment of Brandon Lloyd more than anything, and to some extent Santana Moss. But unless you're alleging Bryant Johnson is going to be another Brandon Lloyd, that's no reason not to sign him.

I just don't get your point, it's not making any sense. What are you suggesting the Skins do about it?
My point is this. For two straight years SM has been somewhat average to below average. Lloyd has been a complete 100% bust. ARE has barely over 1,000 yards receiving in two years. So why go out and sign ANOTHER FA WR that is unproven? If we're going to go the FA route to find yet another WR, I'd just rather go out and get a guy that WE KNOW once he gets on the field he's going to PRODUCE. I can't say that about B. Johnson or Earnest Wilford. Why bother chasing guys that we might already have?
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You know what? Screw Bryant Johnson! He's just another number in a long line of jackass's that played high school ball in Maryland and then left to go to college out of state. I would include Carmelo with the Yellow, but he grew up in New York so I can't blame him for Syracuse.

Thats right Kevin Durant, I'm talking about you (Born in DC, went to High School in Rockville) and you go to TEXAS?!! Who's in Texas? At least settle for Georgetown. GD. I'm also talking to you AJ Wallace. Derrick Williams. Derrick Harvey. Victtor Abiamiri! Lamaar Thomas! Joe Haden! Anthony McCalin! Tywon Lawson! Uche Echefu!
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Old 02-22-2008, 05:33 AM   #37
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rather have hackett. he's a better player. really rather have roy williams or CJ but being realistic, hackett or berrian are probably the best available, and zorn knows enough about one of them to make an informed decision immediately.
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My point is this. For two straight years SM has been somewhat average to below average. Lloyd has been a complete 100% bust. ARE has barely over 1,000 yards receiving in two years. So why go out and sign ANOTHER FA WR that is unproven? If we're going to go the FA route to find yet another WR, I'd just rather go out and get a guy that WE KNOW once he gets on the field he's going to PRODUCE. I can't say that about B. Johnson or Earnest Wilford. Why bother chasing guys that we might already have?
OK so who, in your mind, is a guy we KNOW will produce?

Randy Moss? Won't get out of New England.
Chad Johnson? Bengals won't trade him.

Do you want to draft a guy with the 1st rounder? Usually takes them 3 years before they make a big impact.

I hear you ragging on guys like Bryant Johnson, but what is the alternative you're suggesting?
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You know what? Screw Bryant Johnson! He's just another number in a long line of jackass's that played high school ball in Maryland and then left to go to college out of state. I would include Carmelo with the Yellow, but he grew up in New York so I can't blame him for Syracuse.

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Are serious?!?!
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I like Johnson...I do think he has the potential to do more on a new team. I would target him and Hacket as free agent possibilities if they can't land a true #1 in trade.
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OK so who, in your mind, is a guy we KNOW will produce?

Randy Moss? Won't get out of New England.
Chad Johnson? Bengals won't trade him.

Do you want to draft a guy with the 1st rounder? Usually takes them 3 years before they make a big impact.

I hear you ragging on guys like Bryant Johnson, but what is the alternative you're suggesting?
I'm not ragging on Johnson. I just don't think his production is going to match up to his paycheck and we've already got that problem at the wr position. If we were a SB contending type of team then I'd be 100% behind going out and trying to get Moss or CJ. But to be honest we're not that type of team yet. So IMO we need to have 2 more solid drafts and build it that way. Kind of like how SD, GB and Jack do it. Jack is a playoff team and is waaaaay under the cap. They should go out and try and trade for CJ. When and if we get to that point, then go out and get a big time FA or two. How many times have you seen a team go out and try and get these high priced FA's and they still have too many other holes to fill? Look at SF last year? They signed 3-4 guys and they still sucked.
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I still like Hackett more.
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I 2nd that!!!
Why is eveyone so high on DJ Hackett? Isn't he VERY injury prone? What has he done that's so special? To me he's not better ( or worse) than the guys we already have. His only advantage is he knows the offense. No thanks.
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Why is eveyone so high on DJ Hackett? Isn't he VERY injury prone? What has he done that's so special? To me he's not better ( or worse) than the guys we already have. His only advantage is he knows the offense. No thanks.
He was the leading receiver in the loss we received in the playoffs this year!!!
101 yards I believe 6 or 7 catches!!! The guy is a underrated gem.
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He was the leading receiver in the loss we received in the playoffs this year!!!
101 yards I believe 6 or 7 catches!!! The guy is a underrated gem.
He had a good game against us but is he consistent? I think Hackett's been around for 3-4 years and hasn't really had a breakout year. I guess if he's a FA and isn't going to cost much then sign him. But if he's going to cost a lot of $ and or draft pick then I'd say we pass on him.
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