JLC: Skins to Pursue CB Florence & WR Hackett; Can't Afford Briggs?

jsarno

I have seen those posts too...then they are corrected.

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WillH

Yeah, I have been one correcting people about it, but I remember reading this somewhere reputable recently. Maybe I dreamt it, but when I read it it seemed plausible like oh yeah I forgot about that. Anyways, wasn't there some stipulation with Ducket that if he got a certain amount of playing time we got a 3rd rounder this year or if not we got a fourth. I remember something to that effect which made what I read plausible. Well, I cant find what I read so oh well . . .

SmootSmack

These were all veteran starters who were just asked to be nickel or dime defensive backs. We weren't looking for the next Shawn Springs

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steveo395

I meant he wasn't that bad when he was on the Redskins.

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steveo395

I think we lost our fouth rounder in the Duckett trade, we didn't get one back.

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WillH

Yeah I guess we just didnt resign him, god I wish I could remember what that was about.

Oh wait, maybe it had to do with not being able to resign derrick dockery?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha

We do NOT have a 4th rounder. We gave our 4th rounder up to acquire Duckett and we did NOT get a 4th rounder from anyone else. We have all of our other draft picks.

jsarno

Didn't say we were looking for another Springs, however, you said: all I'm saying is, they were average before we got them, to expect anything otherwise is unrealistic.
ps- Florence is nothing extra special either.

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SmootSmack

They weren't even average. But whatever

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jsarno

LOL. Well, maybe you're right. But like you say...whatever.

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GTripp0012

FWIW, Florence's metrics are very similar to those of Carlos Rogers, and those of Fred Smoot circa Minnesota. He's going to allow 6-7 yards per pass in his direction. That's nickelback quality at best.

He's going to be 29 next year. He's better than, say, Kenny Wright or David Macklin or Mike Rumph, but he's not going to displace a healthy Rogers, an unhealthy Springs, or a prime-of-career Fred Smoot.

Basically, Drayton Florence does not lessen the need for Shawn Springs to play CB1 for us. However, he does address a select short term need for us until we can get Rogers back in the lineup. He's no Brian Kelly though

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Sheriff Gonna Getcha

GTripp,

I agree that acquiring Florence will address a short term need but will not "lessen the need for Shawn Springs to play CB1 for us." However, I don't quite understand how "metrics" accurately measure how effective a corner is. I could see how metrics could measure how good a corner is in man coverage. But, with zone coverage and complex coverages, can you really measure how effective a corner is with raw numbers?

GTripp0012

Simply put, no.

But it's a good place to start. The metrics are at least relatively consistent from year to year, though hardly conclusive. They do factor in zone coverage with the man coverage to show roughly how good a player can defense the pass or attack the run.

But, at the end of the day, it's just a rough estimate of skill.

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