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Old 02-22-2008, 11:32 AM   #16
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I wouldn't be opposed to getting D. Hall but if we're trading that #1 pick for anyone, it better be Fitzgerald, Ocho or Roy Williams.. WR is a bigger need than CB.
i don't understand your reasoning. we have Santana Moss, and Randel El as our starters. both are proven nfl caliber receivers. at corner we start Springs, who is very old for a corner, and Smoot. at best, Smoot is a nickle corner, who is starting do to Rogers injury. who knows when, or even if, Rogers comes back. his injury is the most severe type of knee injury anyone can sustain. it will be a very long road to recovery for Mr. Rogers. im not saying our receiving corps is top notch, but the are at least adequate. right now, the skins have ONE legitimate starting nfl corner
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:22 PM   #17
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i don't understand your reasoning. we have Santana Moss, and Randel El as our starters. both are proven nfl caliber receivers. at corner we start Springs, who is very old for a corner, and Smoot. at best, Smoot is a nickle corner, who is starting do to Rogers injury. who knows when, or even if, Rogers comes back. his injury is the most severe type of knee injury anyone can sustain. it will be a very long road to recovery for Mr. Rogers. im not saying our receiving corps is top notch, but the are at least adequate. right now, the skins have ONE legitimate starting nfl corner
I didn't state we don't need a CB at all, but if we're going to trade our #1 pick, I'd rather see it for a WR than a CB. We can get a decent CB (Drayton Florence for example) thru free agency to hold the fort until Rogers comes back. I'm more comfortable with Springs/Smoot than I am with Moss/Randle El.. If we don't do anything, by Halloween we're 3 strong at CB yet still undersized and undermanned at WR.
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:27 PM   #18
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you say that this guy is a beast, fast as hell and a complete corner. well that might be true but should we totally forget about him publicly showing his support for an a-hole with the last name vick by running on the field with a poster and having his eye shades read MV7. Lets not forget him going off on his d-coordinator last year and wanting to pick fights with every receiver he faces, oh and getting unsportsmanlike penalties that cause your team victories. One word- Classless
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I don't agree with your take on Zorn's offense. Not going to have many 4 or 5 wideout sets. Zorn has already stated his desire to keep Redskins running attack a priority. Sure we'll throw a bit more but we don't have the personel for 5 wideouts so why go there? Not going to happen. Gibbs didn't call plays the past two seasons anyway. Yes, he did influence Al but we didn't just pound the ball at all the past two years. Yes when Portis went down in 06' we ran more b/c we sucked balls and lost every game. Last year we had a mix. I would pick first a defensive lineman and next a corner, just me.
I agree DL and CB are positions of need, but if we are going to trade the #1 pick I would rather do it for a stud WR than a CB, that's all I am saying.

It's not going to be Spurrier 2.0 with us going 5 wide every play, but if you watched any of Seattle's games, they went 3 and 4 wide often and ran out of those sets. We will go 5 wide when the opportunity presents. Just because we didn't do it last year, doesn't mean we won't have the personnel to do it this year.

When we were going 3 TE, 1 WR, we didn't need a stud WR to draw additional coverage, but if we have a Fitz, Ocho or Williams on one side, Moss on the other, the safeties are going to have to account for them.. What does that do? Open up more running lanes for Portis. Adding a stud WR helps the running game just as much as the passing game. It doesn't equate to Mike Martz throwing the ball 60 times a game.

I expect our offense to look more like Andy Reid/Mike Holmgren than anything we've seen from Redskins teams of the past.
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Florence is a career back-up Nickel back not proven NFL starter.
Exactly, that's why he's brought in as depth to play that position once Rogers returns.. Follow me here, if Rogers is out, Springs & Smoot start, Florence is the nickel/backup CB.. Once Rogers returns, Springs and Rogers start, Smoot is the nickel, Florence is the dime.. Rogers isn't trying to recover from an amputation, it's a severe knee injury, he's back by Halloween.. We'll still have half a season left at that point.

If we trade for D. Hall, do we cut Springs or does Smoot become the dime once Rogers returns?
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you say that this guy is a beast, fast as hell and a complete corner. well that might be true but should we totally forget about him publicly showing his support for an a-hole with the last name vick by running on the field with a poster and having his eye shades read MV7. Lets not forget him going off on his d-coordinator last year and wanting to pick fights with every receiver he faces, oh and getting unsportsmanlike penalties that cause your team victories. One word- Classless
Agreed. Sad thing is the guy seems bright enough combined w/his physical ability that he could be a face of the nfl. Instead, he negates his playmaking by fighting w/Steve Smith et al and basically turning the game into a 1 on 1 fight rather than what's best for his team.

Hall may mature, but in the next couple years I don't see him coming around. This is not a guy you bring in to a team in transition w/a new head coach that's never been one before.
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I never said trade out pick for anyone. Don't think we should for WR or CB. Even if we picked WR first and CB or Line second that wouldn't be the worst case. Might turn out that at 21 highest rated need player on board is WR with all the focus on line lately.
That was the point of the entire thread, whether we should trade the pick for D. Hall. My assertion was IF we traded the pick it should go for a WR rather than a CB.
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I would stay away from him, he's a punk! Talent he has, class he doesn't.
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much rather see us pick up a DL with our first pick and brandon flowers with our 2nd.. WR is not a glaring need, lets see what mix can do.
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:54 PM   #25
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If there was anything positive to be gained from B.Loyd, it's that the front office & coaches will be a lot more cautious about signing guys w/bad reps. Hall is one such guy.
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I said no. Go through Draft. You made comments about the offense that I disagree with also. We're still going to run allot more than you think. I guess lets just wait and see. Wanna bet me?

I say we run 40-45% in 08'. 100 bucks.
I agree we'll run 40-45%.. I stressed I didn't think we're going to be like Martz throwing the rock 60 times a game.. Like I said, 3 & 4 WR will help the running game also.

I don't think we are going to see the same type of running game we saw in the past. We're not going to see Lorenzo Alexander (or anyone else for that matter) going in motion as a 3rd TE next year.. We're not going to see super jumbo sets at midfield next year.

We're going to see 4 WR, singleback sets, we're going to see a pro set with FB and HB lined up next to each other, we're going to see 3 WR and an I-formation..

If you go back and watch the Washington/Seattle playoff game (as I have since Zorn was hired) the difference in offensive SETS is huge. We were 2 or 3 TE for probably 60% of the game. They were 3 wide, 4 wide (and running the ball from those sets) for 70% of the game.. We will look drastically different in '08.
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And you know that how?
Here you go and by the way anyone that supports an animal abuser like Michael Vick is no good.

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Old 02-22-2008, 01:12 PM   #28
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What ever the play calling it can not be any worse then our predictable calling over the past 4 years. I hope we never see that 2 tight ends 1 wr set ever again on first down.
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Here you go and by the way anyone that supports an animal abuser like Michael Vick is no good.

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So now if a guy losses it in a game or on the field because he is fustrated playing for such a bad team he becomes a punk? What he did was wrong but its not like he has a history of blowing up on the field. I can fully understand a player getting fustrated playing for a bad team and the ones that don't get fustrated concern me more. As for backing Vick. He has played football with Vick for a very long time (like 6 or 7 years) Vick is his friend and some people do not think dog fighting is all that wrong. I think its very wrong and Vick got what he deserved but other people grow up around this type of stuff and don't think twice about what they are doing. Heck even Clinton Portis took up for Vick until he found out that was not a smart thing to do and I think CP is a pretty good guy.
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Don't worry, Vick is getting his pay back now. He is finding out the true meaning of the phrase DOGGIE STYLE right about now.
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