giants trying to trade 31st pick for cb hall

downtown4life

you say that this guy is a beast, fast as hell and a complete corner. well that might be true but should we totally forget about him publicly showing his support for an a-hole with the last name vick by running on the field with a poster and having his eye shades read MV7. Lets not forget him going off on his d-coordinator last year and wanting to pick fights with every receiver he faces, oh and getting unsportsmanlike penalties that cause your team victories. One word- Classless

Paintrain

I agree DL and CB are positions of need, but if we are going to trade the #1 pick I would rather do it for a stud WR than a CB, that's all I am saying.

It's not going to be Spurrier 2.0 with us going 5 wide every play, but if you watched any of Seattle's games, they went 3 and 4 wide often and ran out of those sets. We will go 5 wide when the opportunity presents. Just because we didn't do it last year, doesn't mean we won't have the personnel to do it this year.

When we were going 3 TE, 1 WR, we didn't need a stud WR to draw additional coverage, but if we have a Fitz, Ocho or Williams on one side, Moss on the other, the safeties are going to have to account for them.. What does that do? Open up more running lanes for Portis. Adding a stud WR helps the running game just as much as the passing game. It doesn't equate to Mike Martz throwing the ball 60 times a game.

I expect our offense to look more like Andy Reid/Mike Holmgren than anything we've seen from Redskins teams of the past.

__________________
No Pressure-No Diamonds!
Go Catch Your Dreams!

Paintrain

Exactly, that's why he's brought in as depth to play that position once Rogers returns.. Follow me here, if Rogers is out, Springs & Smoot start, Florence is the nickel/backup CB.. Once Rogers returns, Springs and Rogers start, Smoot is the nickel, Florence is the dime.. Rogers isn't trying to recover from an amputation, it's a severe knee injury, he's back by Halloween.. We'll still have half a season left at that point.

If we trade for D. Hall, do we cut Springs or does Smoot become the dime once Rogers returns?

__________________
No Pressure-No Diamonds!
Go Catch Your Dreams!

freddyg12

Agreed. Sad thing is the guy seems bright enough combined w/his physical ability that he could be a face of the nfl. Instead, he negates his playmaking by fighting w/Steve Smith et al and basically turning the game into a 1 on 1 fight rather than what's best for his team.

Hall may mature, but in the next couple years I don't see him coming around. This is not a guy you bring in to a team in transition w/a new head coach that's never been one before.

Paintrain

That was the point of the entire thread, whether we should trade the pick for D. Hall. My assertion was IF we traded the pick it should go for a WR rather than a CB.

__________________
No Pressure-No Diamonds!
Go Catch Your Dreams!

firstdown

And you know that how?

charlielyons

much rather see us pick up a DL with our first pick and brandon flowers with our 2nd.. WR is not a glaring need, lets see what mix can do.

freddyg12

If there was anything positive to be gained from B.Loyd, it's that the front office & coaches will be a lot more cautious about signing guys w/bad reps. Hall is one such guy.

Paintrain

I agree we'll run 40-45%.. I stressed I didn't think we're going to be like Martz throwing the rock 60 times a game.. Like I said, 3 & 4 WR will help the running game also.

I don't think we are going to see the same type of running game we saw in the past. We're not going to see Lorenzo Alexander (or anyone else for that matter) going in motion as a 3rd TE next year.. We're not going to see super jumbo sets at midfield next year.

We're going to see 4 WR, singleback sets, we're going to see a pro set with FB and HB lined up next to each other, we're going to see 3 WR and an I-formation..

If you go back and watch the Washington/Seattle playoff game (as I have since Zorn was hired) the difference in offensive SETS is huge. We were 2 or 3 TE for probably 60% of the game. They were 3 wide, 4 wide (and running the ball from those sets) for 70% of the game.. We will look drastically different in '08.

__________________
No Pressure-No Diamonds!
Go Catch Your Dreams!

SFREDSKIN

Here you go and by the way anyone that supports an animal abuser like Michael Vick is no good.

Falcons Burned by Another Virginia Tech Player

__________________
Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs.

Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory.

Darrell Green- Best DB ever.

Purveyor of fine Filth

dansadonkey

What ever the play calling it can not be any worse then our predictable calling over the past 4 years. I hope we never see that 2 tight ends 1 wr set ever again on first down.

__________________
MARTY PHILLIPS, SON OF A BUM, LIFE LONG PLAYOFF LOSER!

firstdown

So now if a guy losses it in a game or on the field because he is fustrated playing for such a bad team he becomes a punk? What he did was wrong but its not like he has a history of blowing up on the field. I can fully understand a player getting fustrated playing for a bad team and the ones that don't get fustrated concern me more. As for backing Vick. He has played football with Vick for a very long time (like 6 or 7 years) Vick is his friend and some people do not think dog fighting is all that wrong. I think its very wrong and Vick got what he deserved but other people grow up around this type of stuff and don't think twice about what they are doing. Heck even Clinton Portis took up for Vick until he found out that was not a smart thing to do and I think CP is a pretty good guy.

dansadonkey

Don't worry, Vick is getting his pay back now. He is finding out the true meaning of the phrase DOGGIE STYLE right about now.

__________________
MARTY PHILLIPS, SON OF A BUM, LIFE LONG PLAYOFF LOSER!