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Old 02-22-2008, 01:42 PM   #31
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So now if a guy losses it in a game or on the field because he is fustrated playing for such a bad team he becomes a punk? What he did was wrong but its not like he has a history of blowing up on the field. I can fully understand a player getting fustrated playing for a bad team and the ones that don't get fustrated concern me more. As for backing Vick. He has played football with Vick for a very long time (like 6 or 7 years) Vick is his friend and some people do not think dog fighting is all that wrong. I think its very wrong and Vick got what he deserved but other people grow up around this type of stuff and don't think twice about what they are doing. Heck even Clinton Portis took up for Vick until he found out that was not a smart thing to do and I think CP is a pretty good guy.
Ironically, I agree w/your points here; a bad day in which a guy loses his cool can be excused. And supporting Vick isn't any big deal IMO, unless of course you say there's nothing wrong w/what Vick did (good point about CP's reaction when it went down). Hall wasn't the only player that did so & it was basically a symbolic show of frienship, not a pro dogfighting endorsement.

However, I think Hall has more skeletons in the closet than this 1 game. Word around VT was that he was a bad influence on that team, very selfish & unpopular among teamates. I'm just going on heresy, but since he's been in Atl. his rep. hasn't improved. Did he ever own up to the penalties in the carolina game?

Of course as fans we usually don't know any more than what we can get on tv, but based on that & his history, he's at least earned some skepticism.
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Old 02-22-2008, 02:45 PM   #32
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Ironically, I agree w/your points here; a bad day in which a guy loses his cool can be excused. And supporting Vick isn't any big deal IMO, unless of course you say there's nothing wrong w/what Vick did (good point about CP's reaction when it went down). Hall wasn't the only player that did so & it was basically a symbolic show of frienship, not a pro dogfighting endorsement.

However, I think Hall has more skeletons in the closet than this 1 game. Word around VT was that he was a bad influence on that team, very selfish & unpopular among teamates. I'm just going on heresy, but since he's been in Atl. his rep. hasn't improved. Did he ever own up to the penalties in the carolina game?

Of course as fans we usually don't know any more than what we can get on tv, but based on that & his history, he's at least earned some skepticism.
Well owning up to those penalties is a no brainer because of what he did and I'm not sure what you own up to when its so obvious to what went down. As far as VT I'm from Va and do follow them somewhat. I have friends who are big fans and I do not recall them ever talking about Hall and any issues while on the team. That does not mean there were none but I do not judge people on hearsay. Not sure why I'm talking about this because I really don't care about it one way or the other. LOL
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Old 02-22-2008, 03:54 PM   #33
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if we dont pick up hall, we better get one hell of a wr in the off season. It looks like hes going somewhere in the division. And dispite his attitude, he is one of the elite corners in the league
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Old 02-22-2008, 06:27 PM   #34
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He's another TO, cries when things dont go his way. Gets into fights with his coordinators. Please dont bring him in.

An awful lot of Giant fans feel the same way!
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Old 02-22-2008, 08:10 PM   #35
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Hall is worth more than the 31st pick. He is a franchise CB. I would give up the 21st in a second for Hall. the kid can play!
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Old 02-22-2008, 08:42 PM   #36
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Hall is worth more than the 31st pick. He is a franchise CB. I would give up the 21st in a second for Hall. the kid can play!
If it where only that easy. In the Giants case it would be a 31st pick in the first round, plus the contract Hall is seeking OR draft pick, plus picking up his current contract (a lot of potential negative factors). In our case the scenario would likely be a 21st pick in the first round, plus in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per year, the kind of cash Hall is seeking.

Big bucks, especially for a team like the Skins, with cap issues being resolved now. This might be a hard deal for most teams to pull off, due to the loss of draft pick and the kind of cash Hall is seeking, I believe he currently only has one year left on his contract with Atlanta.

I don't see him being approached by the Skins due to the loss of a 1st rounder and his potential cost. This could be a tuff deal for most teams to work through. Unless a first round draft pick/money is not a factor or out weighed by the need of a upper end CB.
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:05 PM   #37
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We need to stop worrying about wideout so much. We got Reche and Anthony Mix. Mix I think will be a decent possesion reciever. He's 6'6'' for gods sake. Just throw a Randy Moss ball, he doesn't have to be fast. Lol...
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:39 PM   #38
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for the talent, the 21 pick is a great deal for us, but the bad rep has been justly earned and it's hard to judge it's effects on the team. he's better than any CBs in the draft, but i'm still wary of his personality issues, which makes it a tough call.

if we give him a contract where we can void or trade him without a huge penalty, it'd make it easier, but you'd still lose out if you had to use it (lower trade value, less interest, wasted pick, etc).

if we could get him and trade springs, that might make it a little more bearable... when in doubt, pass though. no move is better than a bad move.
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Old 02-23-2008, 07:49 AM   #39
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I usually hate when people post things like this but I hope my time on the board and rep gives me some credibility on this one.. I flew into Atlanta last night and Alge Crumpler & his agent were at the same baggage claim with me (they just got in from Indy), I ended up sitting next to the agent on the rental car bus & talking NFL for a few minutes.. Crumpler is headed to TB, Tenn or Seattle, Dunn is likely next to be cut by Atlanta (they are trying to get all of the vocal guys out of the locker room) and D. Hall is "90% sure" to be headed to the NYG..
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thanks but no thanks...hes on sportscenter every other week...getting burned deep

this is true but his help back there is......(crickets)........anyone?

we have at least two proven DBs that can help him, and Hall is good enough to where he does not have to be developed all that much. I am in no way fond of using our first rounder on him, but if we could find a way not to, him, and the addition of Florence would allow us to get a sleeper CB later in the draft and not have to suffer through his development.
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he is younger, faster, and at this point in time better than Springs. According to NFL network he has 2 years left on his contract. It is already known that springs doesn't take pay cuts, we pay intirely too much for him. So I'd trade Springs and a 4rth conditional 5th for Hall. In all I'd say its a better deal because they get 2 possible 3 players and one of those guys is proven in this league.
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this is true but his help back there is......(crickets)........anyone?

we have at least two proven DBs that can help him, and Hall is good enough to where he does not have to be developed all that much.
That is true Hall has no good safety help in ATL and with LaRon playing center field will allow Hall to play more aggressive at the line and put his hands on receivers like he does Steve Smith.
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for the talent, the 21 pick is a great deal for us, but the bad rep has been justly earned and it's hard to judge it's effects on the team. he's better than any CBs in the draft, but i'm still wary of his personality issues, which makes it a tough call.

if we give him a contract where we can void or trade him without a huge penalty, it'd make it easier, but you'd still lose out if you had to use it (lower trade value, less interest, wasted pick, etc).

if we could get him and trade springs, that might make it a little more bearable... when in doubt, pass though. no move is better than a bad move.
What do you think would have been the better move? The Falcons trading DeAngelo Hall for the #31 pick, or the Redskins trading the #6 overall for Lance Briggs and the #31?
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What do you think would have been the better move? The Falcons trading DeAngelo Hall for the #31 pick, or the Redskins trading the #6 overall for Lance Briggs and the #31?
well, it would've been the #6 and mcintosh for the #31 and briggs, so it's easy to go with hall on that one. they can get rid of a bad locker room guy and end up with the #31, which is high enough to draft his (very very cheap, but not as talented) replacement.

on briggs, not only are you giving up insane trade value and money, but you've got guys like vilma that could be cheaper and less costly to trade for. I really don't think we need briggs as much as other positions either.
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Old 02-24-2008, 08:55 AM   #45
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hall would be a great pick up .he young and shut down cb
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