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Old 02-24-2008, 01:10 PM   #16
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Why would we trade a high pick for any player when we have FREE agency ?? Hall gets burned every time I see a falcons game , didn't T.O . burn him BAD this past year ? I just hope we draft a DE and a C/G , maybe we can make 3rd and shorts look easy , and get some heat on the QB . I could see an 09 for Williams , but screw Hall / Briggs , just wasting $$$
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Springs got burned bad by Owens this year, too. do you want to cut him?
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IMO I could see where a deal for Williams would be considered an option since we have identified a [bigger WR] as a target of need.

However, could it be that DJ Hackett would be a better option, maybe less costly, and more famaliar with what the offense will be doing? [considering his availability] Granted Williams would seem attractive, it could be that our needs would be better served by using our top two picks to address our long neglected needs on the DL.

It's not like our WR corps is in shambles, the need for a 3tech. DT along with a DE with dual ability would be more important acquisitions. When/if either of these type players are available, every effort should be made to secure them mainly because of how difficult they are to procure.
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i don't understand why everyone is jumping all over Williams for a second round pick. when Hall is available, for a first rounder, and far the more proven player. is there that much of a difference between the 2 picks? in my opinion, we need a corner far more then we need a wide out. and i think there is more to Williams just wanting out of Detroit
Because a 2nd rounder (especially next year) for a #1 wideout is a bargain. The Falcons are looking for "at least" a #1 for Hall.

Hall feels 'stabbed in back' by Falcons | ajc.com

Hall has also been a malcontent (of course if I was in ATL I'd be pretty pissed off too) this season.

I think Detroit is pretty much in the same position with Williams as Atlanta is with Hall, except that publicly Williams is saying the right things.
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IMO I could see where a deal for Williams would be considered an option since we have identified a [bigger WR] as a target of need.

However, could it be that DJ Hackett would be a better option, maybe less costly, and more famaliar with what the offense will be doing? [considering his availability] Granted Williams would seem attractive, it could be that our needs would be better served by using our top two picks to address our long neglected needs on the DL.

It's not like our WR corps is in shambles, the need for a 3tech. DT along with a DE with dual ability would be more important acquisitions. When/if either of these type players are available, every effort should be made to secure them mainly because of how difficult they are to procure.
yea, i definately agree with your post. i'd rather the skins get hackett, at a reasonable price, and use the 2nd pick on a dl,ol or cb.
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Springs got burned bad by Owens this year, too. do you want to cut him?
hey Dmek , no I do not want to cut Springs .Springs is not a young man and he had to deal with his father this year . I would rather use F/A to bring in the best cb that we can sign , use # 21 on a DE . If it just happens that in rd 2 or 3 a cb with strong cover skills is sitting there , pick him . The Hall for 21 with the team having depth issues on both lines seems too much at this time . I have seen him talk a lot and it seems he gets burned too much in there big games ? If we do bring him here , I hope like hell he is our best cb.
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Williams will help JC develop, Hall will not...
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i don't understand why everyone is jumping all over Williams for a second round pick. when Hall is available, for a first rounder, and far the more proven player. is there that much of a difference between the 2 picks? in my opinion, we need a corner far more then we need a wide out. and i think there is more to Williams just wanting out of Detroit
I would take Roy Williams over DeAngelo Hall every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hall is a malcontent who can't keep his mouth shut. And while we do need a CB, we don't need a #1 like Hall. Rogers won't be ready for the season start, but he will play next year. Right now, they're estimating him ready by mid-September. He probably won't be himself until the middle or later in the season, but still. Getting Hall would be overkill, it'd be similar to the panicky TJ Duckett acquisition.

With the way Smoot and Springs finished the season, there's no reason to panic and say you need to upgrade either one of them. They're both very solid NFL starters. And when Rogers is back to his old self, you'll have 3 solid starters. Even if you think about Hall as a long-term replacement for Springs, you're still chock full of 3 very talented CBs. It's a misallocation of our cap resources. We'd be better off with a Drayton Florence as a decent nickle guy.

Roy Williams however is a HUGE playmaker. He's had some injuries, so that's worrisome. But it sure would beat a loudmouth problem at a position at which we're already in decent shape.

That said, I'd be shocked if a 2009 second rounder would be the high bid for Roy Williams. It will take a 2nd this year, or a 1st next year. And since the teams mentioned here have higher picks than we do, to outbid them we'll either have to give up a 1st this year or a 1st next year. I don't like either option. But Roy would definitely be a WAAY better choice than DeAngelo Hall.
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I would take Roy Williams over DeAngelo Hall every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hall is a malcontent who can't keep his mouth shut. And while we do need a CB, we don't need a #1 like Hall. Rogers won't be ready for the season start, but he will play next year. Right now, they're estimating him ready by mid-September. He probably won't be himself until the middle or later in the season, but still. Getting Hall would be overkill, it'd be similar to the panicky TJ Duckett acquisition.

With the way Smoot and Springs finished the season, there's no reason to panic and say you need to upgrade either one of them. They're both very solid NFL starters. And when Rogers is back to his old self, you'll have 3 solid starters. Even if you think about Hall as a long-term replacement for Springs, you're still chock full of 3 very talented CBs. It's a misallocation of our cap resources. We'd be better off with a Drayton Florence as a decent nickle guy.

Roy Williams however is a HUGE playmaker. He's had some injuries, so that's worrisome. But it sure would beat a loudmouth problem at a position at which we're already in decent shape.

That said, I'd be shocked if a 2009 second rounder would be the high bid for Roy Williams. It will take a 2nd this year, or a 1st next year. And since the teams mentioned here have higher picks than we do, to outbid them we'll either have to give up a 1st this year or a 1st next year. I don't like either option. But Roy would definitely be a WAAY better choice than DeAngelo Hall.
But WE could add Brandon Loyd to the offer
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I would take Roy Williams over DeAngelo Hall every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hall is a malcontent who can't keep his mouth shut. And while we do need a CB, we don't need a #1 like Hall. Rogers won't be ready for the season start, but he will play next year. Right now, they're estimating him ready by mid-September. He probably won't be himself until the middle or later in the season, but still. Getting Hall would be overkill, it'd be similar to the panicky TJ Duckett acquisition.

With the way Smoot and Springs finished the season, there's no reason to panic and say you need to upgrade either one of them. They're both very solid NFL starters. And when Rogers is back to his old self, you'll have 3 solid starters. Even if you think about Hall as a long-term replacement for Springs, you're still chock full of 3 very talented CBs. It's a misallocation of our cap resources. We'd be better off with a Drayton Florence as a decent nickle guy.

Roy Williams however is a HUGE playmaker. He's had some injuries, so that's worrisome. But it sure would beat a loudmouth problem at a position at which we're already in decent shape.

That said, I'd be shocked if a 2009 second rounder would be the high bid for Roy Williams. It will take a 2nd this year, or a 1st next year. And since the teams mentioned here have higher picks than we do, to outbid them we'll either have to give up a 1st this year or a 1st next year. I don't like either option. But Roy would definitely be a WAAY better choice than DeAngelo Hall.
what has Williams done for you to think this? i keep reading about him being a number one, anyone care to post his stats from last season? Hall has already been to 2 pro bowls, and is only 24. while his mouth isn't his best quality, no one knows for sure how we would react playing in such a disaster as Atlanta. i say corner is a much bigger need then wide out
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I'd be shocked if a 2009 second rounder would be the high bid for Roy Williams. It will take a 2nd this year, or a 1st next year. And since the teams mentioned here have higher picks than we do, to outbid them we'll either have to give up a 1st this year or a 1st next year. I don't like either option.
Schneed...you are right on target here.

I think anyone here would agree our 2nd next year for Roy Williams would be a steal....we'd have to throw them a bone....like a 6th this year too.
That wouldn't be too bad.

I'd do it....imagine what a signing like this would do for Moss and Cooley.

It would also mean Cooley could be situational and keep in a blocking end...which would really help Campbell.

A Roy Williams signing would make the entire offense better....even if he didn't light it up...I'd do it for a 2nd this year too....especially if we got a little something back
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what has Williams done for you to think this? i keep reading about him being a number one, anyone care to post his stats from last season?
What has he done for me to think he's a playmaker? Oh, let me count the ways:
  • His career yards per reception is 15.0. Last year, Santana Moss averaged 13.2 and Antwaan Randle-El averaged 14.3.
  • Last year, he had 63 catches for 836 yards and 5 TDs, in 12 games. Over a 16 game season, that extrapolates to 84 catches, 1136 yards, and 7 TDs.
  • In 2006, he played a full season, and posted 82 catches, 1310 yards, and 7 TDs.
  • In his first two years in the league (2004 and 2005), he had 8 TDs in each season, despite missing seven games over the course of those two years.
  • Last year, Roy averaged 4.6 YAC compared to Santana Moss' 3.1 and Randle-El's 3.6.
  • He was a Pro Bowler after his stellar 2006 season. If he didn't get hurt and miss the last 4 games of this past season, he probably would have been a Pro Bowler then too.
  • He'll be 27 when the 2008 season starts.
He's one of the best young WRs in football. Which NFL are you watching?
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Old 02-24-2008, 02:41 PM   #28
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"The availability of wide receiver Roy Williams is also in hot debate with Jacksonville, Tennessee, Tampa Bay and New Orleans all interested. The Lions are looking for a second round pick and have told several clubs they would even consider a pick in next years' draft to get a deal done."

- Draft Daddy: Blog : 2008 NFL Draft News as it Breaks: Updated Regularly

Normally, I don't like the fact we tend to get rid of our picks for stuff like this.. but Roy Williams... damn! that's what we need.. a big receiver..!
This article also claims Jevon Walker (den) and Larry Fitzgerald are being shopped...however, I saw recently that the Skins are interested in a Walker trade but Fitz aint going anywhere. I'd prefer LF over anyone.
I just dont know how much merit we should give these stories.
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To get a player the caliber of Roy Williams for a 2nd rounder is a steal and should be done in a heartbeat! We could only hope to get a decent WR that would develope into a Roy Williams type with a 1st round pick, so to get him already established for a 2nd rounder is a no brainer.
I'd love to see us get Campbell (DE) in the draft, and have Roy Williams for our 2nd round pick. That would be quite a productive draft!
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What has he done for me to think he's a playmaker? Oh, let me count the ways:
  • His career yards per reception is 15.0. Last year, Santana Moss averaged 13.2 and Antwaan Randle-El averaged 14.3.
  • Last year, he had 63 catches for 836 yards and 5 TDs, in 12 games. Over a 16 game season, that extrapolates to 84 catches, 1136 yards, and 7 TDs.
  • In 2006, he played a full season, and posted 82 catches, 1310 yards, and 7 TDs.
  • In his first two years in the league (2004 and 2005), he had 8 TDs in each season, despite missing seven games over the course of those two years.
  • Last year, Roy averaged 4.6 YAC compared to Santana Moss' 3.1 and Randle-El's 3.6.
  • He was a Pro Bowler after his stellar 2006 season. If he didn't get hurt and miss the last 4 games of this past season, he probably would have been a Pro Bowler then too.
  • He'll be 27 when the 2008 season starts.
He's one of the best young WRs in football. Which NFL are you watching?
nice analysis. no need to be an ass, though. i just think there is more to the story, as far as Detroit wanting to unload him
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