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Old 02-26-2008, 10:22 AM   #31
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Re: -- Zorn to Talk to Lloyd Before Cutting Him --

I have said many, many harsh things about Lloyd. In my opinion, the guy is a punk who doesn't deserve to wear an NFL uniform. However, I think it's possible (however unlikely) that Lloyd wants to get back onto the field and is willing to shut his trap and play. I'll defer to Zorn on this one. If Zorn cuts Lloyd I certainly won't shed a tear, but if he keeps Lloyd I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:40 AM   #32
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I still haven't given up hope on Lloyd. I'd like to see him actually get an opportunity. All it can take is a change of scenery/staff for a whole new player to come out. We've seen it many times before.
Except he got that change of scenery/staff when he came here. How many more changes of scenery/staff should he get?
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:40 AM   #33
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The problem is he IS a locker room distraction and a malcontent.

He's had blowouts with coaches and players.
And members of the staff at Redskins Park.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:47 AM   #34
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I still haven't given up hope on Lloyd. I'd like to see him actually get an opportunity. All it can take is a change of scenery/staff for a whole new player to come out. We've seen it many times before.
I'm having trouble recalling an example of a guy with these stats:

2007
2 rec 14 yds

2006
23 rec 365 yds

having a dramatic turnaround. He's not a talent like Moss or Owens, he's never produced like either of those guys in the past, the point of cutting him is two-fold. Get him out of the locker room and get his contract off the books so the Skins don't have to carry dead cap in 2009. If they wanted, they could cut him post June 1 (or designate him as a June 1 cut and release earlier - right?) and carry the hit over two years. The guy's got to go.

Oh, and not to mention he is also a liability on the field. Remember that deep pass against Arizona last year where he kind of just fell down and the ball was picked?
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It just came to me; tell Vinny to get on the phone w/Al Davis. Send them Loyd & a 5th for Michael Huff! (See the M. Huff thread)

Maybe it would require a 3rd to make it work, or another lower pick. Al Davis w/his senility is our only hope to deal Loyd!
I know it is a scenario that won't come to pass, but just remember that both Chris Cooley and Derrick Dockery were both 3rd round picks ...
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Lloyd sucks
Buh-bye
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Re: -- Zorn to Talk to Lloyd Before Cutting Him --

Zorn: Hey, What do you think about sticking around and maybe being more involved?
Lloyd: Here I thought I was going to be disolved, Now I find I'm resolved to be involved,
It's amazing how simple this was solved.
Zorn: What the hell was that?
Lloyd: Yo thats my rap. Word.
Zorn: What kinda answer is that? Look....are you in or are you out?
Lloyd: I could be within or I could be without, It doesn't really matter cuz I was making
out, You can keep me in or you can kick me out, It's all the same cuz I'm making
out.
Zorn: Oh...kay. I'll pencil you in. How about restructuring your contract?
Lloyd: Restructuring...it's so frustrating. To not be on the field when I wanna be.
A contract is something you have to live up to, If I'm given the chance then
I'm about to. I hope you know I make the money no matter what I do.
Zorn: Yeah. whatever. I hope your trying to keep your day job.
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Re: -- Zorn to Talk to Lloyd Before Cutting Him --

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I don't see what the idea is behind releasing. I don't like him anymore than anyone else, but this guy has 0 trade value and will cost us money to cut. So, what's the point of getting rid of him. I don't believe that he's a cancer, so addition by subtraction doesn't really make sense to me. I feel like, we have to keep him and give him a shot to pick it up. Maybe he'll fit in a little better with Zorn's offense? Doubtful, but if he can become any kind of contributor, it would be nice.
Cutting him today prevents us from having to give him any more money for this season and beyond.

We cut him right now, we eat the hit now, and he's off the books by 2009. We wait a year, and he stays on the books for 2009, and we paid him in full for this year.

Yes, the net cap hit is lessened every year we keep him on, but every year we keep him on he gets to see more and more of his contract value.
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I still haven't given up hope on Lloyd. I'd like to see him actually get an opportunity. All it can take is a change of scenery/staff for a whole new player to come out. We've seen it many times before.
Brandon Lloyd Career:

2003 Opportunities: 30
Catch %: 47

2004 Opportunities: 89
Catch %: 48

2005 Opportunities: 109
Catch %: 34

2006 Opportunities: 58
Catch %: 41


2007 Opportunities: 6
Catch %: 33

Total Opportunities: 292
Catch %: 41

Can we stop defending Brandon Lloyd now? He's got a strong case at being the worst receiver ever to play professional football. I'm not exaggerating.
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Re: -- Zorn to Talk to Lloyd Before Cutting Him --

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Zorn: Hey, What do you think about sticking around and maybe being more involved?
Lloyd: Here I thought I was going to be disolved, Now I find I'm resolved to be involved,
It's amazing how simple this was solved.
Zorn: What the hell was that?
Lloyd: Yo thats my rap. Word.
Zorn: What kinda answer is that? Look....are you in or are you out?
Lloyd: I could be within or I could be without, It doesn't really matter cuz I was making
out, You can keep me in or you can kick me out, It's all the same cuz I'm making
out.
Zorn: Oh...kay. I'll pencil you in. How about restructuring your contract?
Lloyd: Restructuring...it's so frustrating. To not be on the field when I wanna be.
A contract is something you have to live up to, If I'm given the chance then
I'm about to. I hope you know I make the money no matter what I do.
Zorn: Yeah. whatever. I hope your trying to keep your day job.
LOL! Hilarious!
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:44 AM   #41
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Cutting him today prevents us from having to give him any more money for this season and beyond.

We cut him right now, we eat the hit now, and he's off the books by 2009. We wait a year, and he stays on the books for 2009, and we paid him in full for this year.

Yes, the net cap hit is lessened every year we keep him on, but every year we keep him on he gets to see more and more of his contract value.
Yeah, and on the bolded part, everyone think about your workplace. Imagine there's a guy in your office with a bad attitude, doesn't work hard, sucks to be around, and doesn't do his job well. And he gets paid a ton more than you.

How do you feel about him? How do you feel about your employer for keeping him around?

Keeping a highly paid player who underachieves essentially sends the message to the team that you're validating him. It sends the message that the team has no sense of justice or fairness. Players don't want to hear that his cap charge is prohibitive to cutting him, they just can't stand that he's getting paid that much to suck that bad.

Getting rid of him helps to eliminate a source of bad team morale from the locker room. He's had enough chances, he deserves to be cut, and the Redskins will be better off in both the near term and the long term if they do it now.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:47 AM   #42
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Re: -- Zorn to Talk to Lloyd Before Cutting Him --

Lloyd's situation is one that makes me have disdain for the way players are compensated in today's NFL.

Zorn is DTRT however by talking to him, what conclusion he arives at as a result of their conversation remains to be seen. I'm hoping it's pointing to the EXIT sign.
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Zorn: Hey, What do you think about sticking around and maybe being more involved?
Lloyd: Here I thought I was going to be disolved, Now I find I'm resolved to be involved,
It's amazing how simple this was solved.
Zorn: What the hell was that?
Lloyd: Yo thats my rap. Word.
Zorn: What kinda answer is that? Look....are you in or are you out?
Lloyd: I could be within or I could be without, It doesn't really matter cuz I was making
out, You can keep me in or you can kick me out, It's all the same cuz I'm making
out.
Zorn: Oh...kay. I'll pencil you in. How about restructuring your contract?
Lloyd: Restructuring...it's so frustrating. To not be on the field when I wanna be.
A contract is something you have to live up to, If I'm given the chance then
I'm about to. I hope you know I make the money no matter what I do.
Zorn: Yeah. whatever. I hope your trying to keep your day job.
That's awesome!
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Old 02-26-2008, 12:36 PM   #44
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I say either give him a chance or trade him...I'm sure someone will bite (Matt Millen anyone?). Heck, last year there were some people ridiculing the idea of Moss going to another team. I say let's see if the change in staff can change him or let's get something in return...a draft pick that we can use to get someone or use it in a trade.
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Lloyd's situation is one that makes me have disdain for the way players are compensated in today's NFL.
Imagine if this was a MLB or NBA contract and ALL guaranteed. That would really suck for us.
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