Redskins Deny Bryant Johnson Visit Scheduled

SmootSmack · 03-03-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

In my mind Johnson has a little more upside. He is stuck behind 2 pro bowlers in Arizona. I wouldn't mind Johnson, but I would still rather try and get a trade for a true #1 WR.

But he started 15 games in the past two years and didn't exactly set the world on fire. And, as I've mentioned before, why is he stuck behind those guys anyway? Not to take anything away from him but he was a high first round pick wasn't he? So I'm not saying he's a bust by any means...but shouldn't there be a bit of a higher standard for such a high pick?

I'm sure he'll be a fine complement but I don't know that he's so much better than what we currently have, yet his contract would likely say otherwise.

As for Walker, yeah when he's healthy and motivated he's great. Question is will he be healthy and can he stay motivated.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-03-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

I'm sorry folks, but I can't understand how anyone thinks that Reche Caldwell is a legit number 2. I think we often get blinded by our own players. I don't know anyone who has ever heard of Mike Espy if he isn't a member of this board. I'm excited to see what Mix can do too, but I don't think that we should stand pat at wide out. Caldwell is mediocre at best, Mix and Espy (last year's darling) have shown absolutely nothing.

I'm not advocating by Bryant Johnson, but the Skins need another receiver. There is no one on the roster who I would consider to be a legit number 1, Moss can't stay healthy and Randle El is at best a number 2, Caldwell has never had more than 760 receiving yards. His second highest total? 352! I don't know what about his 141 yards and no touchdowns suggests he should be number 2 ahead of Randle El, but I have no faith in a Moss (who might play his average 11 games), Caldwell, Randle El, and (insert former practice squad player here) receiving corps. This team needs another wide out. I'm not sure that I care where to get him, but they gotta get one.

I, personally, would pursue Javon Walker if he's healthy and not too pricey. If he has an incentive laden contract, I would be all about because, when he's healthy and motivated, he's a great football player.

But do you think we go after a number one or someone like Hackett or Johnson? Because pretty much our only options are breaking the bank for Walker (which we most likely would do considering his past track record) or trying to trade some draft picks to get another huge contract. Just this year I don't even think it's an option...

While I don't think Caldwell is a Pro Bowler by any means, I think he proved that he was sure handed and ran some great routes when given the chance. I'm saying a three to four year deal and see what the cap space we're left with gives us next year or the year after when we start to see some breathing room...

jdlea · 03-03-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EXoffender

TMC, post the stats! If this is true let's keep Caldwell. What I saw in Hackett in the playoff game is a budding star, a playmaker. Caldwell's game didn't impress me the same. If Caldwell doesn't sign elsewhere (Is he the same highly coveted FA WR as Hackett and Johnson?) by all means, bring him back.

Caldwell:
Best season: 45 catches, 760 yards, 4 TD's, 16 Games
Worst season: 8 catches, 80 yards, 0 TD's, 9 Games
Career (5 seasons): 152 catches, 1851 yards, 11 TD's, 12.2 avg
Age: 28

Hackett:
Best season: 45 catches, 610 yards, 4 TD's, 14 Games
Worst season: 32 catches, 384 yards, 3 TD's, 6 Games
Career (3 seasons): 105 catches, 1394 yards, 9 TD's, 13.3 Avg
Age: 26

*I didn't feel like giving everything

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-03-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by EXoffender

TMC, post the stats! If this is true let's keep Caldwell. What I saw in Hackett in the playoff game is a budding star, a playmaker. Caldwell's game didn't impress me the same. If Caldwell doesn't sign elsewhere (Is he the same highly coveted FA WR as Hackett and Johnson?) by all means, bring him back.

Reche Caldwell:
ESPN - Reche Caldwell Stats, News, Photos - Washington Redskins - NFL Football

DJ Hackett:
ESPN - D.J. Hackett Stats, News, Photos - Seattle Seahawks - NFL Football

Again, similar stats. And one game does not an all star make. Much like one game does not a "bust" make (in Caldwell's case).

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-03-2008, 01:54 PM

Also, in case this thread gets too long, this isn't me saying that Caldwell is going to be our savior at WR. I think he would be a nice addition for depth and someone to make a few key catches.

For those that think we need a true number one, we simply don't have the cap to make it happen this year. But then again, I've been surprised before...

jdlea · 03-03-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

But do you think we go after a number one or someone like Hackett or Johnson? Because pretty much our only options are breaking the bank for Walker (which we most likely would do considering his past track record) or trying to trade some draft picks to get another huge contract. Just this year I don't even think it's an option...

While I don't think Caldwell is a Pro Bowler by any means, I think he proved that he was sure handed and ran some great routes when given the chance. I'm saying a three to four year deal and see what the cap space we're left with gives us next year or the year after when we start to see some breathing room...

I don't know that anyone will be breaking the bank for Walker, but given the state of NFL free agency, I could be very surprised. If it's going to take more than $4-$5 mil a year for 3 years with Walker, I don't want him, but I'd give him that much.

I'd rather draft a guy in round 1 or 2 and have him be the number 2 and let Caldwell be number 4. Problem is, I don't think Caldwell can play teams, so that's left to Mix. It's not an easy situation, but I don't believe not getting a receiver is an option. I could see them drafting Harris from MSU or Manningham and be relatively pleased. I would rather have Limas Sweed, but my feeling is they can't stand pat...

Dirtbag59 · 03-03-2008, 01:57 PM

I'd bring him in.................for the veteran minimum!

Obviously if we can bring him in for the $2-$3 million dollar range then I think he would be worth a look. And considering that Michael Turner got $5 million a year to play starting tailback for the Falcons then $2-$3 million is definately a possibility IMO.

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But he started 15 games in the past two years and didn't exactly set the world on fire. And, as I've mentioned before, why is he stuck behind those guys anyway?

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Well in all fairness to Johnson, if you're going to be stuck behind two guys, might as well be stuck behind two of the best.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-03-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

I don't know that anyone will be breaking the bank for Walker, but given the state of NFL free agency, I could be very surprised. If it's going to take more than $4-$5 mil a year for 3 years with Walker, I don't want him, but I'd give him that much.

I'd rather draft a guy in round 1 or 2 and have him be the number 2 and let Caldwell be number 4. Problem is, I don't think Caldwell can play teams, so that's left to Mix. It's not an easy situation, but I don't believe not getting a receiver is an option. I could see them drafting Harris from MSU or Manningham and be relatively pleased. I would rather have Limas Sweed, but my feeling is they can't stand pat...

I'm with you there. It's just been that this year has been nuts and he'll probably want a contract based on past production and not his last year. I mean look at Donte Stallworth and he was ALWAYS hurt.

Cooley1 · 03-03-2008, 02:22 PM

I was just checking out the Wikipedia on Bryant Johnson and came up with this. It is saying that he has already signed with buffalo ??????

[edit] NFL Career
Johnson has played three years predominantly as a slot receiver for the Cardinals, frequently starting the game from the third receiver position. His 35 catches in 2003 was the third most receptions for a rookie (his teammate Anquan Boldin had the most receptions for a rookie that year)[1]. Johnson's career has been hampered by several injuries, but has not appeared in less than 13 games in his three professional seasons.

Johnson scored the inaugural touchdown at University of Phoenix Stadium, a 5-yard reception from Kurt Warner in the Arizona Cardinals preseason game on August 12, 2006.

He signed with the Bills, likely becoming the AFC East team's #2 wide receiver behind Lee Evans. Terms of the contract were not made available by the team.
He is represented by fellow Penn State alumnus Chafie Fields.

Bryant Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

mlmpetert · 03-03-2008, 02:25 PM

Repeat. Please feel free to delete

Wiki is "reporting" he signed with the Bills today. I guess some Bill's fan really wants him.

Bryant Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dirtbag59 · 03-03-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooley1

I was just checking out the Wikipedia on Bryant Johnson and came up with this. It is saying that he has already signed with buffalo ??????

[edit] NFL Career
Johnson has played three years predominantly as a slot receiver for the Cardinals, frequently starting the game from the third receiver position. His 35 catches in 2003 was the third most receptions for a rookie (his teammate Anquan Boldin had the most receptions for a rookie that year)[1]. Johnson's career has been hampered by several injuries, but has not appeared in less than 13 games in his three professional seasons.

Johnson scored the inaugural touchdown at University of Phoenix Stadium, a 5-yard reception from Kurt Warner in the Arizona Cardinals preseason game on August 12, 2006.

He signed with the Bills, likely becoming the AFC East team's #2 wide receiver behind Lee Evans. Terms of the contract were not made available by the team.
He is represented by fellow Penn State alumnus Chafie Fields.

Bryant Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia is good for understanding cool facts and getting the jist of certain topics, but I don't think its a really reliable news source. If I had to guess I'd say a PFT fan edited the page.

JCampbell17 · 03-03-2008, 02:27 PM

interesting

skinsnut · 03-03-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

So is Kwame Brown.

Sorry, I know what you meant but I couldn't resist.. I'd like to have either Johnson or Hackett in maroon and black by the end of the week.

Paintrain, you are quite the smart ass today.
Very funny!

celts32 · 03-03-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But he started 15 games in the past two years and didn't exactly set the world on fire. And, as I've mentioned before, why is he stuck behind those guys anyway? Not to take anything away from him but he was a high first round pick wasn't he? So I'm not saying he's a bust by any means...but shouldn't there be a bit of a higher standard for such a high pick?

I'm sure he'll be a fine complement but I don't know that he's so much better than what we currently have, yet his contract would likely say otherwise.

As for Walker, yeah when he's healthy and motivated he's great. Question is will he be healthy and can he stay motivated.

My response is that your right. I don't think theres a great argument to be made for any of the free agent WR's(except Moss). They are all guys who have not done all that much in the league and are going to get paid mostly on potential. The best thing you can say about Johnson is that he was 3rd behind two great players and maybe he will bust out with more opportunity. And the best thing you can say about hacket is that he played in Seattle and knows the offense. In either case we will overpay based on what their actual production should merit. I rarely advocate trading draft picks but in this instance I believe that trading our #1 or #2 pick for a legitimate #1 WR is the correct course of action...it takes two to tango on that though.

SmootSmack · 03-03-2008, 02:30 PM

Maybe they were thinking of Spencer Johnson
SI.com - NFL - Bills reach agreement with DT Johnson - Saturday March 1, 2008 5:19PM

03-03-2008, 01:54 PM	#20
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,119	Re: Bryant Johnson Scheduled to Visit Redskins Also, in case this thread gets too long, this isn't me saying that Caldwell is going to be our savior at WR. I think he would be a nice addition for depth and someone to make a few key catches. For those that think we need a true number one, we simply don't have the cap to make it happen this year. But then again, I've been surprised before... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-03-2008, 02:22 PM	#24
Cooley1 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Frederick, MD Posts: 105	Re: Bryant Johnson Scheduled to Visit Redskins I was just checking out the Wikipedia on Bryant Johnson and came up with this. It is saying that he has already signed with buffalo ?????? [edit] NFL Career Johnson has played three years predominantly as a slot receiver for the Cardinals, frequently starting the game from the third receiver position. His 35 catches in 2003 was the third most receptions for a rookie (his teammate Anquan Boldin had the most receptions for a rookie that year)[1]. Johnson's career has been hampered by several injuries, but has not appeared in less than 13 games in his three professional seasons. Johnson scored the inaugural touchdown at University of Phoenix Stadium, a 5-yard reception from Kurt Warner in the Arizona Cardinals preseason game on August 12, 2006. He signed with the Bills, likely becoming the AFC East team's #2 wide receiver behind Lee Evans. Terms of the contract were not made available by the team. He is represented by fellow Penn State alumnus Chafie Fields. Bryant Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03-03-2008, 02:25 PM	#25
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,208	Re: Bryant Johnson Scheduled to Visit Redskins Repeat. Please feel free to delete Wiki is "reporting" he signed with the Bills today. I guess some Bill's fan really wants him. Bryant Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03-03-2008, 02:27 PM	#27
JCampbell17 Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7	Re: Bryant Johnson Scheduled to Visit Redskins interesting

03-03-2008, 02:30 PM	#30
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,102	Re: Bryant Johnson Scheduled to Visit Redskins Maybe they were thinking of Spencer Johnson SI.com - NFL - Bills reach agreement with DT Johnson - Saturday March 1, 2008 5:19PM __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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