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Old 03-05-2008, 02:32 PM   #76
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Re: Now that Favre is officially done, where does he rank all time?

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It is easy to compare, but the judgments are just that..judgments; and the judgments may not always be that sound. It is still a team sport and they ran diffrent play books.
I am not sure who was better. It is not so clear cut.
Stats are not the tell all/end all of who was better.
There were guys like Gayle Sayers and Jim Brown who had relatively short careers but they were incredible. Their stats are not going to be the best because they did not play 12-18 years. Stats do not tell the whole story.
But I am not comparing someone from yesteryear to someone of today. That leaves too much to interpretation. So in that respect, you are right, and I agree. However, I am comparing 2 guys that played in the same era and played the EXACT same amount of years with the EXACT same teams for their careers. You can't ignore the stats I provided in comparison of the two. I know 1 person PMed me and said they had no idea that Favre did that much better than Elway...for some reason Elway is held in high regard while Favre is thought of as wreckless. Some perceptions are hard to break. No matter what, people will believe what they want to believe, and that's thier choice...more power to you. SOmetimes you can provide concrete proof in black and white and people won't see it...oh well. It's not like this discussion is life or death. LOL.
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Re: Now that Favre is officially done, where does he rank all time?

Not sure where Favre officially ranks all-time, but these are some things we do know.

Brett Favre: Where he stands in the history.

Passing Attempts: 8,757 (#1 all-time)

Passing Completions: 5,377 (#1 all-time)

Touchdown Passes: 442 (#1 all-time)

Interceptions: 288

Passing Yards: 61,655 (#1 all-time)

Incredible:
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Not sure where Favre officially ranks all-time, but these are some things we do know.

Brett Favre: Where he stands in the history.

Passing Attempts: 8,757 (#1 all-time)

Passing Completions: 5,377 (#1 all-time)

Touchdown Passes: 442 (#1 all-time)

Interceptions: 288

Passing Yards: 61,655 (#1 all-time)

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I believe the Packers also had more wins than any other team since Favre started his streak. Not bad, especially considering how mediocre the Packers were back in the 1980s
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But I am not comparing someone from yesteryear to someone of today. That leaves too much to interpretation. So in that respect, you are right, and I agree. However, I am comparing 2 guys that played in the same era and played the EXACT same amount of years with the EXACT same teams for their careers. You can't ignore the stats I provided in comparison of the two. I know 1 person PMed me and said they had no idea that Favre did that much better than Elway...for some reason Elway is held in high regard while Favre is thought of as wreckless. Some perceptions are hard to break. No matter what, people will believe what they want to believe, and that's thier choice...more power to you. SOmetimes you can provide concrete proof in black and white and people won't see it...oh well. It's not like this discussion is life or death. LOL.
I think it's funny how people secretly PM you to commend you. I think you said the same thing happened with your roulette strategy and your opinion of Vince Young.

I wish I had secret admirers
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I believe the Packers also had more wins than any other team since Favre started his streak. Not bad, especially considering how mediocre the Packers were back in the 1980s
Mediocre is being nice...before Favre the Packers won only .406% of the games.
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I think it's funny how people secretly PM you to commend you. I think you said the same thing happened with your roulette strategy and your opinion of Vince Young.

I wish I had secret admirers
Who says they are secret? I got positive rankings from the Vince Young thread. Only the blind lovers of the inadaquate tend to say anything negative on here. Some are afraid to say anything in fear they will be blasted by some...I am speaking of the Vince Young thread in particular.

Nice way to make a thread more of a personal issue...what exactly does this have to do with this thread? Maybe you should take your advice and follow your own rules???

Maybe I shoud throw in this so I don't get another unwarranted negative rep points from you.

Are you ready to get back to the subject now?
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I believe the Packers also had more wins than any other team since Favre started his streak. Not bad, especially considering how mediocre the Packers were back in the 1980s

Favre has been the heartbeat of the Packers since taking over there. I forgot to mention his consecutive game streak which is unlikely to be matched.
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Who says they are secret? I got positive rankings from the Vince Young thread. Only the blind lovers of the inadaquate tend to say anything negative on here. Some are afraid to say anything in fear they will be blasted by some...I am speaking of the Vince Young thread in particular.

Nice way to make a thread more of a personal issue...what exactly does this have to do with this thread? Maybe you should take your advice and follow your own rules???

Maybe I shoud throw in this so I don't get another unwarranted negative rep points from you.

Are you ready to get back to the subject now?
Good God man, chill out. You said one person PMed you about what you said here (and I know you've said it before). And all I was saying is that it's kind of unique/cool/different/interesting/curious/pick your own adjective that you'd be PMed that instead of (in addition) to someone just stating it publicly on the thread.

And of course it's secret. I have no idea who PMs you or sends you rep points.
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Good God man, chill out. You said one person PMed you about what you said here (and I know you've said it before). And all I was saying is that it's kind of unique/cool/different/interesting/curious/pick your own adjective that you'd be PMed that instead of (in addition) to someone just stating it publicly on the thread.

And of course it's secret. I have no idea who PMs you or sends you rep points.
I do though!

Because of course I am the evil dictator! I know all and see all!

(Actually I can't check PM's. But I can see all rep points and comments.)
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Old 03-05-2008, 04:11 PM   #85
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Re: Now that Favre is officially done, where does he rank all time?

I would say top 5 of all time
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Re: Now that Favre is officially done, where does he rank all time?

My Top QB list comes from my era of watching football up to this point:

Elite QBs of the 80's/90's:

1. Joe Montana
2. Dan Marino
3. Steve Young
4. Bret Favre
5. John Elway
6. Troy Akiman
7. Jim Kelly
8. Phil Simms

Very Good QBs of the 80's that are probably a class just below great:

1. Bernie Kosar
2. Warren Moon
3. Randall Cunningham
4. Joe Theismann
5. Dave Krieg
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:26 PM   #87
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Re: Now that Favre is officially done, where does he rank all time?

I'm surprised to see Steve Young so high on the rankings.

I liked watching him play and he was a great QB but I don't think he ranks with the greatest of all time. If he would've stayed in Tampa, He would've been the next JIM ZORN!!!

Some guys that should be mentioned with the greats that I haven't seen mentioned:
Fran Tarkenten
YA Tittle
Dan Fouts

Favre is TOP 5 all time in my book, Probably TOP 2 only behind Montana.
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:50 PM   #88
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in the modern era-aka the last 25 years,i'd take FAVRE over montanna,young,or aikman.i put elway 2nd.best qb to me that i have ever seen?roger staubach.
i saw the redskins hit,beat,and smack him around,but 9 out of 10 times,he got up and found a way to win.i hate the dallas cowboys with a passion,but i respect the hell out of stauchbach and how tough he was!i'd put bart starr and johnny unitas up there as well!
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I was at football camp in the summer of 91 and 92. A bunch of NFL'ers there such as Lott, Cornelius Bennet, Bruce Smith, LT (real LT), Leonard Marshall, Jim Lachey. In the evenings they gave speeches and did Q & A's. They all said Elway was the best QB in the NFL. I will qualify that by saying that Lott was asked, "If you can't choose Montana, who would say is the best QB in the league?"
I would trust the men who played against them than as opposed to stats . Some of my friends asked Richie Petibon that question as well < he owned a resteraunt in FC , Va.> .... he answered ,Staubach, Montana , Elway , Marino and Joe Theismann . Had Gibbs been hired after Allen left ,, # 7 might be in this thread .
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I would trust the men who played against them than as opposed to stats . Some of my friends asked Richie Petibon that question as well < he owned a resteraunt in FC , Va.> .... he answered ,Staubach, Montana , Elway , Marino and Joe Theismann . Had Gibbs been hired after Allen left ,, # 7 might be in this thread .
I'll trust what actually happened--in the case of a inconsistency (which I should mention there usually isn't)--but to each their own.

Elway's body of work suggests that he wasn't a top ten passer of all time. Players who played against him are totally entited to form opinions based on their experiences, but it's still a limited viewpoint.
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