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Old 09-23-2008, 05:41 AM   #76
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Re: Bears Sign Brandon Lloyd to One-Year Deal

Give Lloyd some credit. He's playing very well for the Bears. I still stand with my statement that Gibbs had a bit of a vendetta against Lloyd after he showed up to the locker room with a hat that said "FUCK" on it.
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Old 09-23-2008, 01:11 PM   #77
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Re: Bears Sign Brandon Lloyd to One-Year Deal

I am still not ready to give Lloyd a ton of credit. Let's see how he does the full 16 games. he looked good for SF for a bit as well.
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Old 09-23-2008, 01:51 PM   #78
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Re: Bears Sign Brandon Lloyd to One-Year Deal

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Give Lloyd some credit. He's playing very well for the Bears. I still stand with my statement that Gibbs had a bit of a vendetta against Lloyd after he showed up to the locker room with a hat that said "FUCK" on it.
1. The Bears have crap for receivers. Put Lloyd here as the No. 1 (i.e. - first, cut every WR on our roster) and he would put up numbers similar to those he's putting up in Chicago BUT NOT similar to Moss's numbers.

2. You have consistently argued the "Hat Incident" even after it was clear that Lloyd was despised by all at Redskins Park, not just Gibbs. I for one, had never seen any reference to the Hat Incident by anyone except you. Rather, after the initial feel good period, every report out of camp was that Lloyd was an ass. - He blamed his QB for dropping balls, he didnt' have the trust of his teammates, etc. Based on everything I read, Lloyd simply didn't have the trust of his QB's so no one was looking for him 'cause most of the time they couldn't trust that he'd be there.

It is clear that, despite evidence to the contrary, you will always blame others for Lloyd's shortcomings, particularly Gibbs. I on the other hand have no doubt that, if Lloyd could play and had the trust of his QB's, Gibbs would have played him - a' la Riggins (no choirboy he).
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Old 09-23-2008, 01:52 PM   #79
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Re: Bears Sign Brandon Lloyd to One-Year Deal

im starting to think lloyd is the type of guy where if he is not "the man" and main receiver option for a team he gets emotionally sensitive and plays with much less dedication. . . seems like some players now a days have this "i need to be told every day that you love me and cant live without me" thing going on.

but good for him, glad to see he is getting all the "lovie" he needs to play well. i was higher on brandon then i was ARE and they both have fallen under our production expectations.

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6 Rec 124 Yds and a TD. WTF? This week we eat crow.
And the week before he blocked a punt and scored a TD all on the same play.
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And the week before he blocked a punt and scored a TD all on the same play.
He didn't block it, he just caught it and ran it in.
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Old 09-23-2008, 03:01 PM   #82
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Re: Bears Sign Brandon Lloyd to One-Year Deal

B Lloyd has talent. Alot of talent. He didn't get any playing time and our offense was not "reciever" friendly. I'm not placing blame on him or the coaches, but the fact is he really didn't play often here.
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Old 09-23-2008, 04:41 PM   #83
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He's a talented player, no question. He's a douchebag, no question. So he's a talented Douchebag. Can we drop it now?
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Old 09-23-2008, 06:03 PM   #84
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JoeRedskin, I find it interesting you still put all the blame on Lloyd. Before he comes to DC he's a productive player. When he leaves DC he's a productive player. Is the issue Lloyd or DC? I'm willing to bet DC. He may be a douchebag, I hear lots of players are douchebags. Unfortunately, it's part of the sport.

Fact is -- you need to get on the field to make plays. He rarely was on the field, and even rarer was he targeted for a pass. I'm not shocked that never seeing the field makes someone upset. Especially when they sign a large contract and expecting to get play time.

Regardless of the reason -- Lloyd didn't get a chance here and I think we missed out on a talented guy.
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Old 09-23-2008, 06:08 PM   #85
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tj duckett got good yardage and a TD for seattle this week too... that doesn't mean he doesn't suck though. he, like lloyd, just needs equally sucky players around them to be comfortable enough to look good.

the type of player that can only look good when his team looks bad isn't the type of player i want around.
Well, this is not his first good game he has had. The Redskins blew it, with him. Every player always said he had alot of talent, they just did not work well with him.
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:07 PM   #86
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Some players are just better fits on different teams. Lloyd wasn't exactly the best locker room guy and I think that had a lot to do with his troubles here with an old school type of coaching staff. Yeah the guy has talent but his worth ethic was questionable as well as his route running. I don't think either side is more to blame. It just didn't work out.
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JoeRedskin, I find it interesting you still put all the blame on Lloyd. Before he comes to DC he's a productive player. When he leaves DC he's a productive player. Is the issue Lloyd or DC? I'm willing to bet DC. He may be a douchebag, I hear lots of players are douchebags. Unfortunately, it's part of the sport.

Fact is -- you need to get on the field to make plays. He rarely was on the field, and even rarer was he targeted for a pass. I'm not shocked that never seeing the field makes someone upset. Especially when they sign a large contract and expecting to get play time.

Regardless of the reason -- Lloyd didn't get a chance here and I think we missed out on a talented guy.
Your opinion is noted and respected, but I think it's misleading to say he was "productive." When he was in SF, he was the most targeted player on a dreadful offense, and caught roughly one third of balls thrown his way. That's pretty convincingly terrible.

I agree that Lloyd is off to his most productive start of his career this year, and Chicago's offense may actually benefit from having a receiver that doesn't get separation, but will catch the ball anyway. Of course, for a majority of offenses, that leads to unnecessary interception risk.

For Gibbs, that meant he couldn't play. I know you'll put that one on Gibbs, but for pretty much all coaches, that means he can't play.

And if Lloyd is willing to play hard for Ron Turner and Ron Turner is willing to put his last life as an NFL coordinator on Brandon Lloyd as a starting WR, more power to them both.

But he's just not very good, and even if the Bears can manage to salvage something out of his career, they probably could have been more productive if they used their efforts on a more promising talent, IMO.
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Well, this is not his first good game he has had.
Yes, but I believe it IS the second!
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Some players are just better fits on different teams. Lloyd wasn't exactly the best locker room guy and I think that had a lot to do with his troubles here with an old school type of coaching staff. Yeah the guy has talent but his worth ethic was questionable as well as his route running. I don't think either side is more to blame. It just didn't work out.
The Redskins put a huge premium on character, especialy under Gibbs. Just kind of sucks with all we did and gave for that idiot. The Bears signed him for nothing.
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:25 PM   #90
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Re: Bears Sign Brandon Lloyd to One-Year Deal

Quite frankly I don't see this as a big deal. I see this as a bad personnel decision by the Redskins. He didn't fit our system and our coaches thought he was lazy. A good scheme can help a player and I think that he is in a place where he can be productive in Chicago. I've moved on, this isn't an issue anymore. He's not a gamebreaker in Chicago, but he's a productive player who obviously has something to prove after his two seasons here. More power to him.
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