Rock gets new deal with Skins (3 yrs, $3.35M)

irish · 03-09-2008, 02:40 PM

If there is one thing the skins arent its penny pinchers. Of course all that largesse has got them nothing except over paid, underperforming players.

They could have let Rock go and had a draft pick play almost as good for a lot less money. I am not in the locker room to know how much of a leader Rock is but I just cant fathom that a middling special teams player is a leader of consequence.

Your support of Rock reeks of supporting a player only because he is current a Skin. If he was signed from another team I doubt you'd be so supportive of the move.

JoeRedskin · 03-09-2008, 03:07 PM

Please tell me again, with something other than your opinion, how you can prove he was overpaid. What offers did he receive, from whom, when and what were the terms?

I know what the Skins paid for him and their terms. He gets ~200K over vet min this year and ~400 over vet min next year. Not exactly killer numbers. Does part of my support come b/c he is a current Skin? Yup. But B Lloyd was a current Skin - I am glad they cut him. Does a player from another team get the same pay as home grown player? Nope. Shouldn't. And if you don't realize leadership on a sports team can grow outside the limelight, well that speaks volumes.

hagams · 03-09-2008, 05:46 PM

"True Redskins". Glad to have him back, and I don't hold it against him for testing the market before re-signing with us. Money's out there, why sit back and watch everyone else get paid?

SmootSmack · 03-10-2008, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Please tell me again, with something other than your opinion, how you can prove he was overpaid. What offers did he receive, from whom, when and what were the terms?

I know what the Skins paid for him and their terms. He gets ~200K over vet min this year and ~400 over vet min next year. Not exactly killer numbers. Does part of my support come b/c he is a current Skin? Yup. But B Lloyd was a current Skin - I am glad they cut him. Does a player from another team get the same pay as home grown player? Nope. Shouldn't. And if you don't realize leadership on a sports team can grow outside the limelight, well that speaks volumes.

I think you probably should just ignore irish. I would do it myself if my mod obligations didn't prevent me from doing so. He made a big stink last year about how we care more about signing other free agents than keeping our own players. When I mentioned re-signing guys like Betts and Sellers I believe he said that wasn't enough. So now we've re-signed Rock for much less than he was hoping for and it still's not enough. If I remember right, he also questioned why Schneed would think Portis would restructure...and of course he did.

So bottom line, irish can preach all his "I'm a realist" bs but that's all it is, bs. Being "real" is recognizing positive change, it's not all about the negative. He's just very negative about the Redskins, and probably about many other things in life.

Now...as for re-signing Rock. Good. I didn't think it would happen so soon because I thought they should take care of other things (since he wasn't highly sought after) before re-signing Rock. But they got it done now and at a decent price, so there's nothing to really whine about.

JoeRedskin · 03-10-2008, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think you probably should just ignore irish. I would do it myself if my mod obligations didn't prevent me from doing so. He made a big stink last year about how we care more about signing other free agents than keeping our own players. When I mentioned re-signing guys like Betts and Sellers I believe he said that wasn't enough. So now we've re-signed Rock for much less than he was hoping for and it still's not enough. If I remember right, he also questioned why Schneed would think Portis would restructure...and of course he did.

So bottom line, irish can preach all his "I'm a realist" bs but that's all it is, bs. Being "real" is recognizing positive change, it's not all about the negative. He's just very negative about the Redskins, and probably about many other things in life.

Now...as for re-signing Rock. Good. I didn't think it would happen so soon because I thought they should take care of other things (since he wasn't highly sought after) before re-signing Rock. But they got it done now and at a decent price, so there's nothing to really whine about.

As to Irish, I agree. The critique of this move falls into so much of a past pattern that I really should've just let it go. I just don't appreciate the intellectual dishonesty it displayed and felt like a response was appropriate. Sometimes BS needs to be pointed out for what it is.

As to Rock, was there any interest out for him at all? I would imagine that he had a few vet min plus offers. Maybe I am just looking at it through burgundy and gold glasses, but I thought he would generate some interest as a back up and KR.

SmootSmack · 03-10-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As to Irish, I agree. The critique of this move falls into so much of a past pattern that I really should've just let it go. I just don't appreciate the intellectual dishonesty it displayed and felt like a response was appropriate. Sometimes BS needs to be pointed out for what it is.

As to Rock, was there any interest out for him at all? I would imagine that he had a few vet min plus offers. Maybe I am just looking at it through burgundy and gold glasses, but I thought he would generate some interest as a back up and KR.

I think there was a little cursory interest, but nothing all that major.

Hog1 · 03-10-2008, 10:34 AM

The Rock IS important.
Anyone who has participated, coached, or observed team sports is keenly aware of the players who are positive leaders. Teams cannot succeed without role players, strong locker room guys who help to maintain the cohesion in "team". Rock is one of those guys.
The Skins know all to well the folly in trying to insert hightly paid (non-team) guys (that did not fit) to short road our success. Obviously it did not work.
Teams.........must be..............TEAMS, to be successful. The Rock and others like him help that process.
Good signing!

SC Skins Fan · 03-10-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

The Rock IS important.
Anyone who has participated, coached, or observed team sports is keenly aware of the players who are positive leaders. Teams cannot succeed without role players, strong locker room guys who help to maintain the cohesion in "team". Rock is one of those guys.
The Skins know all to well the folly in trying to insert hightly paid (non-team) guys (that did not fit) to short road our success. Obviously it did not work.
Teams.........must be..............TEAMS, to be successful. The Rock and others like him help that process.
Good signing!

Wait a second. So you're trying to tell me, that depisite what irish said, you don't have to be a superstar athlete/Pro Bowler to be a leader? My head is spinning. I thought only guys that caught 100 balls or had elite athletic skills could act in any leadership capacity. You know, guys like Terrell Owens and Mike Vick, those superstar guys thats where your leaders are. Some marginal special teams guy, HA, you've got to be joking.

skinsfan_nn · 03-10-2008, 12:09 PM

Rocks the special guest on Redskin radio for lunch, talking about how happy he is to still be a Skin. And speaking on contract details and the team, coaching staff.

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Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-10-2008, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irish

If there is one thing the skins arent its penny pinchers. Of course all that largesse has got them nothing except over paid, underperforming players.

They could have let Rock go and had a draft pick play almost as good for a lot less money. I am not in the locker room to know how much of a leader Rock is but I just cant fathom that a middling special teams player is a leader of consequence.

Your support of Rock reeks of supporting a player only because he is current a Skin. If he was signed from another team I doubt you'd be so supportive of the move.

So you complain when we "overpay" other teams' free agents and fail to re-sign our own free agents. Then, we don't sign anyone else's free agents and re-sign our own free agents and still you whine? We re-sign Rock to a deal that essentially pays him the vet. minimum and gives him less than $1M in guaranteed money and yet he is overpaid? If Rock was signed by another team for the same money, I doubt you'd be applauding the F.O. allowing him to leave.

Hog1 · 03-10-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Wait a second. So you're trying to tell me, that depisite what irish said, you don't have to be a superstar athlete/Pro Bowler to be a leader? My head is spinning. I thought only guys that caught 100 balls or had elite athletic skills could act in any leadership capacity. You know, guys like Terrell Owens and Mike Vick, those superstar guys thats where your leaders are. Some marginal special teams guy, HA, you've got to be joking.

I must admit, I am a bit concerned, now that B. Lloyd has moved on.

03-09-2008, 02:40 PM	#61
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,328	Re: Rock gets new deal with Skins (3 yrs, $3.35M) If there is one thing the skins arent its penny pinchers. Of course all that largesse has got them nothing except over paid, underperforming players. They could have let Rock go and had a draft pick play almost as good for a lot less money. I am not in the locker room to know how much of a leader Rock is but I just cant fathom that a middling special teams player is a leader of consequence. Your support of Rock reeks of supporting a player only because he is current a Skin. If he was signed from another team I doubt you'd be so supportive of the move.

03-09-2008, 03:07 PM	#62
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,166	Re: Rock gets new deal with Skins (3 yrs, $3.35M) Please tell me again, with something other than your opinion, how you can prove he was overpaid. What offers did he receive, from whom, when and what were the terms? I know what the Skins paid for him and their terms. He gets ~200K over vet min this year and ~400 over vet min next year. Not exactly killer numbers. Does part of my support come b/c he is a current Skin? Yup. But B Lloyd was a current Skin - I am glad they cut him. Does a player from another team get the same pay as home grown player? Nope. Shouldn't. And if you don't realize leadership on a sports team can grow outside the limelight, well that speaks volumes. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

03-09-2008, 05:46 PM	#63
hagams Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Okinawa, Japan Age: 33 Posts: 841	Re: Rock gets new deal with Skins (3 yrs, $3.35M) "True Redskins". Glad to have him back, and I don't hold it against him for testing the market before re-signing with us. Money's out there, why sit back and watch everyone else get paid? __________________ We are always superbowl contenders in March!!! HTTR!!!!!!!!

03-10-2008, 10:34 AM	#67
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,377	Re: Rock gets new deal with Skins (3 yrs, $3.35M) The Rock IS important. Anyone who has participated, coached, or observed team sports is keenly aware of the players who are positive leaders. Teams cannot succeed without role players, strong locker room guys who help to maintain the cohesion in "team". Rock is one of those guys. The Skins know all to well the folly in trying to insert hightly paid (non-team) guys (that did not fit) to short road our success. Obviously it did not work. Teams.........must be..............TEAMS, to be successful. The Rock and others like him help that process. Good signing! __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

03-10-2008, 12:09 PM	#69
skinsfan_nn Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Newport News,Virginia Age: 48 Posts: 4,495	Re: Rock gets new deal with Skins (3 yrs, $3.35M) Rocks the special guest on Redskin radio for lunch, talking about how happy he is to still be a Skin. And speaking on contract details and the team, coaching staff. Washington Redskins __________________ "There's no greater feeling than moving a man from Point A to Point B, against his will." #68 THANKS COACH GIBBS FOR EVERYTHING! YOUR THE MAN AND ALWAYS WILL BE!

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