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Old 03-19-2008, 01:56 PM   #31
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Re: This is a GOOD reason why we shouldn't touch a WR in the 1st.

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for every good scouting report, there is another bad one. i guarantee there are more teams out there that would love to have Cromartie on their team, then not. and the player in this draft that i think is running the biggest sham, is Howie Longs son. the guy is no where near the player that people are predicting to be a first rounder. had 2 or 3 games, max, that was outstanding in. all the other games, he disappeared. just a workout guy. too me, very similar to Mike Mumula. anyone remember him?
Very rarely, does a player come along that you already know enough about him before he gets drafted to say that he's a lock to be a top 5 pick, but there are really no questions Chris Long has to answer.

With absolutely no relation to Howie, this kid still has the stuff to be a top 5 selection. The fact that he's got the same blood as an NFL hall of famer gives you insight into his mental makeup that we have very little ability to judge on other prospects.

We use the phrase "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" to make an excuse for a kid who gets into trouble, and instead to blame the parents for the mismanagement of the undisciplined child. That phrase can work in a good sense too. Clearly he's got elite talent, but while all the other players with elite talent are relative unknowns in terms of work ethic, you KNOW that Chris Long won't have any issues with handling the mental load of the NFL because his gene set has already been proven to handle it.

Now I'm not saying that every NFL player will have a kid who will also grow up to be an NFL player. Obviously, that's not the case, but in Long's case...he would be a top 5 pick in the draft if he had NO ties to Howie, and the fact that he does makes him as close to a sure thing as the draft can offer.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:59 PM   #32
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Re: This is a GOOD reason why we shouldn't touch a WR in the 1st.

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Devin Thomas has Brandon Lloyd II, written all over him, he had on good year, has way too many drops, "Only one productive year in major college football. ... Will need to prove he's a legitimate downfield threat. ... Doesn't always make the tough deep catch that the best receivers do. ... Tries to do too much at times, dancing after the catch instead of heading upfield. ... Could sustain better when blocking larger safeties and linebackers." Here is a link:NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Devin Thomas
I agree with you here. No player in this draft screams bust more than Devin Thomas.

Is he doomed? Not necessarily. But an intelligent GM would let him get well, well past the slot where his skills grade out before they take a shot on him.

If I'm a GM, I wouldn't touch him before the third round, when his physical skills would then justify the huge risk I'm taking on him.
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W/all due respect, I think you either haven't watched much UVA football, or if you have you don't pay attention to the line play or listen to the commentators when they talk about how Long was getting double teamed or how he penetrated the line and forced a running play the other way.

I watched a good no. of uva games & Chris Long has played lights out the past 2 years. He's got a great motor, good size, strength & speed & good moves. He'll struggle like most rookies do in the nfl, as he'll have to learn how to use his hands to keep OTs from holding him or locking him up, but he looks like a solid nfl player at least.

A "workout guy" is usually someone a little short on game production, that's not the case for Long. He's got game film & stats to go along w/his combine workout.

I agree, except that chris long already uses his hands crazy..Scouts were exceptionally surprised to see how he used his hands on pro day and whatever. I think he will be a force instantly guys. And IM willing to bet on it. He's big,fast,smart,great work ethic,quick,GREAT motor, and great athlete.

And he comes from a Hall of Famer. HE knows what it takes to win, he has tat mentality, and he has been groomed his whole life for this here, right now. Chris Long will be something the Dolphins can build their franchise around. No matter what he ends up playing.
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:21 PM   #34
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for i am too lazy to look, anyone care to post his senior year/ career stats? i don't think he what he is perceived to be. strictly my opinion
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Devin Thomas has Brandon Lloyd II, written all over him, he had on good year, has way too many drops, "Only one productive year in major college football. ... Will need to prove he's a legitimate downfield threat. ... Doesn't always make the tough deep catch that the best receivers do. ... Tries to do too much at times, dancing after the catch instead of heading upfield. ... Could sustain better when blocking larger safeties and linebackers." Here is a link:NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Devin Thomas
I see what you are saying but I think he has the potential to be coached into a good pro player.
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Long shows scouts LB skills - Roanoke.com

here's an article on his pro day, also note that Buges was there to evaluate Albert. I'll try & look up his stats as well but saw this & thought it was interesting.
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for i am too lazy to look, anyone care to post his senior year/ career stats? i don't think he what he is perceived to be. strictly my opinion
are you going to give any kind of arguement? or is it just because you dont like the way he looks? and the fact his dad is a HOF? and is on tv all the time? seriously, at least give a reason why you think he's overrated. Cus so far everyone has given you reasons why he ISNT.
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Also, college career stats are skewed, and if you wanna look at his senior stats, im sure they are monsterish. You can't even compare a players freshman year to his senior year, this is why the stats are skewed, but im pretty sure Chris still have decent stats. He has played lights out for over 2 years
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""I have no preference where I go; I have no preference where I'm picked. What's important is the career after that, whether you're picked [No.] 1 through 30." - chris long


how could you NOT want this guy on your team?? he's a peyton manning on the Defense.
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From wikipedia for what it's worth:

Career Stats
2004 5 tackles, 2 for loss, 1 sack.
2005 46 tackles, 10 for a loss, 2 sacks, 7 passes broken up
2006 57 tackles, 12 for a loss, 5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 1 pass broken up
2007 79 tackles, 19 for a loss, 14 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 10 passes broken up and 1 interception.
Total 187 tackles, 43 for a loss, 22 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 17 passes broken up and 1 interception.
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^ that's the type of player you want.. A player that every year, has gotten better as he's been coached. He is a specimen.
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gave you some reputation points freddy for posting them stats. good job.
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are you going to give any kind of arguement? or is it just because you dont like the way he looks? and the fact his dad is a HOF? and is on tv all the time? seriously, at least give a reason why you think he's overrated. Cus so far everyone has given you reasons why he ISNT.
like i said earlier, he had 3 good games as a senior. his rise in draft status is due to being a work out warrior. i actually like his dad on the pre game show. im not sure why your getting so worked up over someone that will never wear a skins uni. maybe you and him should be posting in the man crush thread? i really have nothing against him. i just think someone is going to make a huge mistake taking him so early
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and like i referred to earlier, Mumula had 19 sacks his junior year at Boston college. how did he work out for the eagles?
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NO, actually ill post in this thread since I made it. And that Man crush thread is for skins players only. And I dont care if he ever wears a skins uni or not, I give layers their respect when they have earned it and to say he had 3 good games as a senior shows you have NO idea what you are talking about. He has been playing consistant for 2+ years. How can you just say he only had 3 good games? And a workout warrior wouldnt be able to do those drills as good as he did. And he doesnt care where he gets picked, he just cares about his future and that says alotabout him. I live in Virginia, and you live in PA. I think I know ALOT more about chris long than you do. You still havent given a valid reason to why he's overrated though
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