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Old 04-04-2008, 09:18 AM   #76
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I think the last line of your argument is the entire basis of what Skins fans think and do. In the 'good ole days' we thrived on getting that blue collar guy that busted his ass to succceed.

Everyone loves the story about the small town kid that worked hard and became great.

No one loves the pompass player that is seemingly taking his skills for granted and making stupid mistakes.

We look at these guys under a microscope and its not fair to them. You can be a pro football player, and drink with minors. I know its illegal and sounds bad. but think about it guys. A lot of people on this board are in college and I refuse to believe you didnt drink as a minor or with a minor before... or has everyone except me on this board never been to a strip club?

I dont want a team of "Rudys" or "the invincable". Personally, I dont need to hear the feel good story. I just want to win football games.

Yes theres a line. No I dont like that players at my college got into a lot of trouble in recent years and ear marked that program as being bad. But, if you look at it, people only cared that they did inapproriate things when they were losing. No one cares when you are winning.

When i went to school Portis, Shockey, Taylor...these guys were all there. And the guys before that like Sapp...Ray Lewis... All of them have attitude problem, they all got in trouble.

Everyone loves Portis and Taylor, so dotn sit here and compalin about the rest of the league without looking internally. Portis and Taylor were no Saints, hell lewis was arrested and Sapp is a walking time bomb.

But with age came maturity, they are all (were....) fun guys and matured. They learned from their mistakes and became dominant. So dont be so quick to dismiss a guy like Henry, he could be the next great lockerroom MVP in the leauge. Or he could become trash... its a risk. I just think its a small risk, you can always cut the guy.

We have a great team in place, with strong vet leaders. They would keep players in control.

funny, a lot of people said this same locker room could bring out the best in Brandon Lloyd.....wonder how that is going to play out. Is he still on the roster??

I just dont understand these arguements for players that are idiots. Do you and I get into fights at strip clubs, beat up our girlfriends, carry guns around??? if these idiots weren't football players, like you and i, they would be in jail. How hard is it NOT to get arrested? I am no saint either, but I seem to be able to go to drive to work everyday, work, drive home, have a couple of beers or friday and saturday and not get arrested. seems pretty damn easy. These players seems to think getting arrested is no big deal, that smashing a stippers face into a stage for picking up dollars bills that were thrown on the stage for her is ok. she deserved it. I have no remorse for guys that make millions of dollars that can't seem to stay out of trouble. it is absolutely mind boggling.
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Old 04-04-2008, 09:26 AM   #77
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funny, a lot of people said this same locker room could bring out the best in Brandon Lloyd.....wonder how that is going to play out. Is he still on the roster??
Brand Lloyd was cut because he didn't have a place in the system, not because he was a disruption in the locker room.
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Brand Lloyd was cut because he didn't have a place in the system, not because he was a disruption in the locker room.

seriously, I do believe Joe benching him for attitude issues at the end. I believe people, coaches clashed with him because of his attitude. My point was, our vets were suppose to bring out his talents, show him the right way to act, the right way to practice and play. Eventually, the ones that were suppose to help him, stopped paying attention to it and moved on when it was known he was a waste of time. Now, if they can't get through to B Lloyd, how in the hell would they get through to Henry?
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Re: Chris Henry Charged with Assault; Waived by Bengals

Lloyd definitely had some attitude issues that caused him to be a disruption in the locker room.

Just look at what JLC said about him:

Would be remiss if I let some news regarding an old favorite in these parts pass any longer. The wide receiver, No. 85, found a new home (at least temporarily) while I was on vacation, and figured I'd post on that situation.

This guy cost the Redskins a 3rd and 4th draft pick and about $12 million total for two years of service, if you can call it that, with constant off field issues and scant production. Perhaps they could have found a way to reach out to him more and connect, but it never happened and he was a cancer.

Lloyd signed with the Bears a few weeks back, and this deal is eons away from the $10 million guaranteed the Skins lavished up the receiver (even with him signed for another season). This time Lloyd got no bonus whatsoever. No incentives. No escalators. Nada.

Lloyd received a veteran minimum benefit contract with nothing up front, not even a workout bonus. Yes, the contract includes a $40,000 workout bonus, sources said, but first Lloyd must participate in 85 percent of Chicago's off season workout program sessions to receive it, so he got nothing up front.

The Bears could but him at any point and owe him nothing. Should Lloyd make the team - something sources said the Bears are not necessarily counting on ("They know he's a malcontent, but he played for our coordinator in college and was recruited by him," said one NFL source who spoke with Bears people about the signing. "They look at it like he's drowning - he's not totally drowned yet - and (OC) Ron Turner wanted to throw him a lifeline, but who knows if he'll use it."). Should Lloyd make the team he could earn a maximum of $605,000.

My take on this guy has been long established, but, I gotta say, if he somehow matures a bit and maybe deals with some of his personality issues, I could actually see him having a decent year. Now, these are huge ifs, but if he gets on the field I think he can replace Berian as Chicago's downfield threat and makes plays in spurts.

He will have every motivation in the world and will be playing for his football life. Then, of course, he may take that $12 million from Dan Snyder, build a recording studio in his basement and focus more on fashion and hip hop than football and totally check out. Have a weird hunch he does enough for the Bears to get himself a decent contract a year from now ... then buyer beware to any team that actually empowers him again, cuz his troubles run deep.

Also kinda strange how both of the biggest of the 2005 offseason busts - Adam Archuleta and this guy - end up in Chicago on the cheap. Archuleta gave the Bears essentially nothing in 2007, and will be very interesting to see if Lloyd makes it this year. Chicago's off season workout plan begins in a few weeks, and I would assume he would report and at least get that $40,000 in his hands.

Okay, that's it for tonight. We'll do some breakdowns of every position on the roster next week and definitely check in tomorrow. Got my hands on some very, very interesting - and telling - figures on team spending and the cap that I think you'll want to check out. I found it somewhat mind blowing while culling the numbers from NFLPA and NFL Management Council sources.

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Re: Chris Henry Charged with Assault; Waived by Bengals

That may be true, but he was also known as a malcontent. I didn't sense any of that here. Chris Henry is a better talent than Lloyd, so I don't think getting him to produce would be the problem.

That said, I still think there is no way we should bring him in. He isn't going to get the production here that is going to keep him from acting like an idiot.
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Old 04-04-2008, 09:51 AM   #81
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Re: Chris Henry Charged with Assault; Waived by Bengals

That's a vapid post by JLC - there's not a single example in there of how Lloyd disrupted the locker room.

Look, I'm not saying Lloyd wasn't a bust - he obviously was. I just don't recall hearing anything about him in the past year, which contradicts the assertion that he was a cancer on the locker room.

I did find this, which points out some of his blow-ups when he was playing:
Brandon Lloyd: Truth or Fiction - D.C. Sports Bog

Again, though, nothing last year. What do you think Henry would do if he were on the bench? I'm thinking 2-3 arrests.

I can't believe I am sort of defending Lloyd. I just wouldn't lump him in the same tier as a Moss/TO/Henry who can single-handedly put a team in the dirt.

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Lloyd definitely had some attitude issues that caused him to be a disruption in the locker room.

Just look at what JLC said about him:

Would be remiss if I let some news regarding an old favorite in these parts pass any longer. The wide receiver, No. 85, found a new home (at least temporarily) while I was on vacation, and figured I'd post on that situation.

This guy cost the Redskins a 3rd and 4th draft pick and about $12 million total for two years of service, if you can call it that, with constant off field issues and scant production. Perhaps they could have found a way to reach out to him more and connect, but it never happened and he was a cancer.

Lloyd signed with the Bears a few weeks back, and this deal is eons away from the $10 million guaranteed the Skins lavished up the receiver (even with him signed for another season). This time Lloyd got no bonus whatsoever. No incentives. No escalators. Nada.

Lloyd received a veteran minimum benefit contract with nothing up front, not even a workout bonus. Yes, the contract includes a $40,000 workout bonus, sources said, but first Lloyd must participate in 85 percent of Chicago's off season workout program sessions to receive it, so he got nothing up front.

The Bears could but him at any point and owe him nothing. Should Lloyd make the team - something sources said the Bears are not necessarily counting on ("They know he's a malcontent, but he played for our coordinator in college and was recruited by him," said one NFL source who spoke with Bears people about the signing. "They look at it like he's drowning - he's not totally drowned yet - and (OC) Ron Turner wanted to throw him a lifeline, but who knows if he'll use it."). Should Lloyd make the team he could earn a maximum of $605,000.

My take on this guy has been long established, but, I gotta say, if he somehow matures a bit and maybe deals with some of his personality issues, I could actually see him having a decent year. Now, these are huge ifs, but if he gets on the field I think he can replace Berian as Chicago's downfield threat and makes plays in spurts.

He will have every motivation in the world and will be playing for his football life. Then, of course, he may take that $12 million from Dan Snyder, build a recording studio in his basement and focus more on fashion and hip hop than football and totally check out. Have a weird hunch he does enough for the Bears to get himself a decent contract a year from now ... then buyer beware to any team that actually empowers him again, cuz his troubles run deep.

Also kinda strange how both of the biggest of the 2005 offseason busts - Adam Archuleta and this guy - end up in Chicago on the cheap. Archuleta gave the Bears essentially nothing in 2007, and will be very interesting to see if Lloyd makes it this year. Chicago's off season workout plan begins in a few weeks, and I would assume he would report and at least get that $40,000 in his hands.

Okay, that's it for tonight. We'll do some breakdowns of every position on the roster next week and definitely check in tomorrow. Got my hands on some very, very interesting - and telling - figures on team spending and the cap that I think you'll want to check out. I found it somewhat mind blowing while culling the numbers from NFLPA and NFL Management Council sources.

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Re: Chris Henry Charged with Assault; Waived by Bengals

Marvin Lewis, and Mike Brown get a free pass for bringing all these thugs. why? half of their roster has some kind of prior problems, but all had ability. that's one of coach Gibbs greatest assets. not bringing in " bad apples" no way do i want Chris Henry in Washington
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Gibbs ran a pretty tight ship, outside of AA's leak to the media you really didn't hear much of anything out of Redskins Park during his second tenure.

However, there were several documented reports of Lloyd blowing up on coaches and teammates. He had a blowup with Saunders and remember the helmet slamming incident that got him suspended for a game?
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Gibbs ran a pretty tight ship, outside of AA's leak to the media you really didn't hear much of anything out of Redskins Park during his second tenure.

However, there were several documented reports of Lloyd blowing up on coaches and teammates. He had a blowup with Saunders and remember the helmet slamming incident that got him suspended for a game?
Yeah, those are both in the link I posted above. Again, I'm not saying I want Lloyd back. I'm just saying he and Henry are different kinds of locker room cancers.
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Yeah, those are both in the link I posted above. Again, I'm not saying I want Lloyd back. I'm just saying he and Henry are different kinds of locker room cancers.
I do agree with that, but in the end they both end up having the same impact. You can't help a team by sitting on the bench whether it's due to legal issues or being a malcontent.
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Chris Henry's own agent severed ties with him today (or maybe last night). If your agent doesn't believe in you, then who should?
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I think we've seen the end of Chris Henry. He'll go down the same path as Marcus Vick and Maurice Clarett.
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Whats up with him and Pacman coming from West Virginia.
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Man, when the Bengals throw you out, you've really blown it. This guy is done. What a fool -- all that talent and money, and to throw it away by punching an 18 year old kid (allegedly, I know, I know).
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Man, when the Bengals throw you out, you've really blown it. This guy is done. What a fool -- all that talent and money, and to throw it away by punching an 18 year old kid (allegedly, I know, I know).
The kid allegedly provoked him by calling him something completely inappropriate (rhymes with "go figure"). But unfortunately for Chris Henry, he has been suspended before for his inability to show restraint and whether his actions were justified or not he was already on a very short leash.
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