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Old 04-22-2008, 11:42 AM   #16
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Re: Offer made on Chad

How is this heaving their draft strategy out the window? Trading one pick this year out of 9 for one of the best WR in the game (a position the team has explicitly said is a need), who almost definitely has several good years ahead of him.
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:44 AM   #17
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How dopey is it to come this far with all your picks just to hand them out at the last second. So much for draft disicipline.

This annoys me and doesn't bode well for who they think is going to be available with the 21st pick in the draft. One week before the draft they want to heave their draft stratedy out the window, I'm annoyed.

Im annoyed too. If it really was 2 first round picks Im lossing confidence agian.
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How is this heaving their draft strategy out the window? Trading one pick this year out of 9 for one of the best WR in the game (a position the team has explicitly said is a need), who almost definitely has several good years ahead of him.
It was supposed to be bringing in young players and teaching them the system. Not outsourcing your superficial needs at the time and jeopardizing the future of your team.

That's why Gibbs last action was to keep all the Redskins draft picks for them to use. Because even Gibbs knew the deficiency in our frachise was at its depth, and skill at depth. The only thing to remedy that is to use every pick that you are alotted on a young player in hopes of building depth.
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:53 AM   #19
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Re: Offer made on Chad

I would love to have a playmaker of CJ ability, but honestly, 1 first rounder is too much for a receiver that is 30 years old. He is not in his "prime" anymore. he may have 1 good/great year. But, to get him if the trade went through we would have to restructure his contract, give him 15-20 million guaranteed and a 6 year deal. It honestly doesn't make a ton of sense to that. If you are going to go after someone like that, then go after a Roy Williams who is younger and may have a couple more years than Chad has. Plus, I thought we wanted a BIG receiver, chad is what 6' maybe 6'1, plus the dude is a head case. I just dont see it meshing well with our locker room. He is twice as bad and Lloyd and no body on the team could stand his stupid ass.
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Im annoyed too. If it really was 2 first round picks Im lossing confidence agian.
A) Smoot already said above that he is pretty sure the report was slightly off. Read the thread.

B) Even if the report was 100% accurate it was a 1st and a conditional 3rd in '09 that could escalate to a 1st. The escalator clauses would probably be include some or all of things like - Pro Bowl selection, All-Pro selection, 1,400-1,500 yards receiving, 10+ TDs, Conference Championship appearance, or the like. I'm sure the escalators weren't catch 25 passes for 300 yards. They were likely team/individual performance levels that, if met, would have us forgetting about giving up the picks.

The Dolphins made a trade like this several years ago for Ricky Williams. it was a conditional pick that eventually escalated to a 1st when Ricky rushed for 1,800 yards. Now over the long term Ricky didn't pan out in Miami, but that first year he was dominant. If we could get Owens/Moss like production out of Johnson (I'd assume the escalators kicked in with elite level performance) then two 1sts could be worth it. But it wasn't just two 1sts straight up. Get it straight, it was a 1st and a conditional 3rd - and that assumes the report was 100%.
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:56 AM   #21
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He's 30, not 40. Why do people think he has like one good year left?
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:58 AM   #22
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I don't believe this story one bit.
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:58 AM   #23
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I'm all about giving up this years 1st round pick, but no more. Chad is a better WR that we can pick up in the 1st round, and probably 2nd. He has his problems, so we'll just assign Mike Sellers to be his roomate on the road, and tell Mike he'll get twice as many carries if he keeps Chad in line....Problem solved.
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:10 PM   #24
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Not to discredit a colleague, but I don't know that's entirely accurate. I'm pretty sure it was the 1st and a player (Betts?) for CJ or the 1st, conditional '09 for CJ and a pick
Yeah I read that we offered this year's 1st round pick, and a 2009 conditional 3rd round pick.
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He's 30, not 40. Why do people think he has like one good year left?
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:15 PM   #26
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I would love to have a playmaker of CJ ability, but honestly, 1 first rounder is too much for a receiver that is 30 years old. He is not in his "prime" anymore. he may have 1 good/great year. But, to get him if the trade went through we would have to restructure his contract, give him 15-20 million guaranteed and a 6 year deal. It honestly doesn't make a ton of sense to that. If you are going to go after someone like that, then go after a Roy Williams who is younger and may have a couple more years than Chad has. Plus, I thought we wanted a BIG receiver, chad is what 6' maybe 6'1, plus the dude is a head case. I just dont see it meshing well with our locker room. He is twice as bad and Lloyd and no body on the team could stand his stupid ass.
Wide Receivers are not running backs. Elite players do not fall off the face of the planet at 30 so I think this oft repeated argument is bogus. Let's examine.

WR production after 30 -

Jerry Rice:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 12.5
1,000 yard seasons - 8 (including best season - 1,848 yards, 15 tds in 1995 at the age of 32/33)
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Chris Carter:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 7
1,000 yard seasons - 6 (including 1,274 yards, 9 tds in 2000 at age 34/35)
Cris Carter

Art Monk:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 8
1,000 yard seasons - 2 of the 5 he had in his career (including 1,049 yards, 8 tds in 1991 at age 33/34)
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Tim Brown:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 9
1,000 yard seasons - 6 (including 1,344 yards, 6 tds in 1999 at age 33 - last 1,000 yard season came in 2001 at age 35)

Marvin Harrison:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 6 and counting
1,000 yard seasons - 5 and counting (including 1,386 yards, 12 tds in 2006 at age 34)

Terrell Owens:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 4 and counting
1,000 yard season - 3 and counting (would have been 4 if not for getting Keyshawned; included 1,355 yards, 15 tds in 2007 at age 33/34)

Randy Moss:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 1
1,000 yard seasons - 1 (including 1,493 yards, 23 tds in 2007 at age 30)

So let's not bring up the age argument when talking about Chad Johnson. It is a phantom argument with no basis in fact. If we use historical precedent as a guide it is likely more accurate to say Johnson has 5-8 good/great years left and that he is actually in the midst of his 'prime'.
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:23 PM   #27
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Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:24 PM   #28
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Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!
Glad no one is overreacting.
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:27 PM   #29
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We may have offered a first round pick and a lower pick, but don't buy into the the two first round picks. Everyone is blowing smoke with their "team
and league sources". They're all using the media as a negotiating tool.

I'm sure anything beyond the first round pick would have all kinds of conditions attached.

All this pre-draft hype and trade talks is worse than a bunch of dealers
at a used car auction.
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:28 PM   #30
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I think it was the possibility of 2 1st rounders...still that's too much. That's the skins though...one way trades where we're not the beneficiary. As SS said though, it may not be accurate.

1st and a late pick, yes. 2 1st rounders might be too much.
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