Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

They also do a great job filling holes with players whose value is at it's absolute lowest...see a 4th round pick for Moss.

The problem isn't that we are trying to fill a need, it's that we could have offered DJ Hackett a 3 million dollar signing bonus to fill the same need, and instead seem intent on giving up a billion dollars to CJ as well as multiple draft picks to the Bengals.

A second round pick for CJ would be worth 2 years of an elite receiver, IMO. If we hold out the Bengals might drop their asking price to the point where we could get him at that price. According to Mortensen though, we are hell-bent on getting this deal done now, which kinda renders 3 months of patience totally irrelevant.

To win a deal, you have to be willing to risk losing the deal entirely. Snyder and Cerrato will never win a trade until they learn this concept.

Originally Posted by KB24

There's no guarantee Chad will automatically pan out. If the pick is a bust, at least we still have that '09 third-rounder and won't take as bad of a hit on the cap.



I'd LOVE for that to happen!

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't think people realize how many trades the Patriots have made over the years using their draft picks (whether to acquire later picks or veterans). I also don't think people realize that not every player selected by them has panned out.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't think people realize how many trades the Patriots have made over the years using their draft picks (whether to acquire later picks or veterans). I also don't think people realize that not every player selected by them has panned out.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the point is that it really hasn't hurt them at all, because despite having a high payroll, they always have money on hand to do what they need to do to improve.

Chad Jackson may never amount to anything in the NFL, but they picked him well behind his projected slot. There was certainly risk with that pick, but the New England Patriots could afford that risk.

The Redskins, on the other hand, I think that same pick would have been a disastrous selection, because we would have played Chad Jackson anyway because we drafted him, and he might have hurt the offense in the long run.

I am impressed by the way the Redskins throughly work through the draft, but again, this is not a team that can afford to make the high risk picks because they need a contribution from every player they draft to stay competitive.

So far so good, but again, what kind of message are you sending when you say "3 million dollars guaranteed and no picks is too much for an up and coming DJ Hackett, but 20 million dollars guarenteed plus a first and third rounder is a good deal for an over-the-hill CJ." I mean, where is the consistency in player evaluation? That's what worries me most, that the team might not understand the value of money.

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

By the way the Patriots only gave up a 4th round pick for Randy Moss.

Originally Posted by GMScud

Apparently the Bengals said the Redskins DID NOT make an offer, and PFT seems to think we're tampering big time:

BENGALS SAY NO OFFER HAS BEEN MADE FOR JOHNSON

Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 1:28 p.m.
On Tuesday morning, Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported that the Washington Redskins have offered the Cincinnati Bengals a first-round pick in 2008 and a conditional pick in 2009 that could escalate to a first-rounder for receiver Chad Johnson.
Bengals coach Marvin Lewis says that it never happened.
“Mike Brown has not received a phone call,” Lewis said at a Tuesday press conference.
Lewis also continues to call Johnson’s bluff regarding his intention to retire if not traded. “He’s a man of his word,” Lewis said. “He says he’s not going to play, so don’t play. It’s time to do what you’re going to say you do and we’ll just move forward.”
So what’s going on here? It’s possible that the offer was made, and that the Bengals have opted to deny it in order to avoid the intense pressure that eventually will come from the fan base to spare them the antics of Ocho Psycho by getting real value for him right now and moving on.
Really, what can the Redskins do if the Bengals are lying? Call a press conference to say that an offer has been made? (That would be tampering on its face.)
And we continue to be (more) concerned that tampering might be occurring with Johnson. Even if the ‘Skins aren’t directly talking to agent Drew Rosenhaus, the fact that the Washington Post knows that the team is ready to pay Johnson $21 million in guaranteed money strongly suggests that the team is putting this information out there in the hopes of continuing to stoke the “I want out” fire that has escalated into an inferno.
In our opinion, what the Redskins apparently are doing is 1000 times worse than the conduct that formed the basis for the Bears tampering allegations against the 49ers. In our opinion, the Bengals should file tampering charges against the Redskins today, if for no reason other than to get the Redskins to back off.

Originally Posted by GMScud

It's Danny's year in and year out obsession with making a big splash. DJ Hackett jerseys wouldn't sell, but imagine how many #85 jerseys would fly off the shelf if he signed here? It's sad.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

They also do a great job filling holes with players whose value is at it's absolute lowest...see a 4th round pick for Moss.

The problem isn't that we are trying to fill a need, it's that we could have offered DJ Hackett a 3 million dollar signing bonus to fill the same need, and instead seem intent on giving up a billion dollars to CJ as well as multiple draft picks to the Bengals.

A second round pick for CJ would be worth 2 years of an elite receiver, IMO. If we hold out the Bengals might drop their asking price to the point where we could get him at that price. According to Mortensen though, we are hell-bent on getting this deal done now, which kinda renders 3 months of patience totally irrelevant.

To win a deal, you have to be willing to risk losing the deal entirely. Snyder and Cerrato will never win a trade until they learn this concept.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the point is that it really hasn't hurt them at all, because despite having a high payroll, they always have money on hand to do what they need to do to improve.

Chad Jackson may never amount to anything in the NFL, but they picked him well behind his projected slot. There was certainly risk with that pick, but the New England Patriots could afford that risk.

The Redskins, on the other hand, I think that same pick would have been a disastrous selection, because we would have played Chad Jackson anyway because we drafted him, and he might have hurt the offense in the long run.

I am impressed by the way the Redskins throughly work through the draft, but again, this is not a team that can afford to make the high risk picks because they need a contribution from every player they draft to stay competitive.

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Am I the only person who has a huge problem with this price? I don't mind the first this year, but NEXT year?!?! That's absolutely going to set this team back.

If we end up where we're picking 25-26 next year then I would deal with it, but I really expect some growing pains this season.