What this all means for Moss?

Mattyk72 · 05-07-2008, 02:03 PM

I don't think the QB delivery has anything to do with it. When Collins took over Moss was finally getting healthy and they just seemed to click better, probably because Collins could see the field better and make better reads.

firstdown · 05-07-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostSkins

Has anyone else noticed that Satana Moss makes most of his plays going up for high jump balls? Bare with me a sec, When Brunell was shotputing the ball because he could not throw on a straight line further than 5 yards down the field in 2005 and Collins was lofting the ball at the end of last year Moss was having his biggest impact outplaying DBs for the ball. Cambell's ball is more on a rope and does not give Moss the time to do what he does best, adjust to the ball and go up for the catch. I know injury played a role in Moss's 2007, but I got the feeling that he responded better to Collins' passes that looked like punts than he did to JC's passes that were on a rope 30 yards down the field.

Well it seemed that all of our WR's played better for Collins. JC while he did improve last year still seemed to over throw his longer passes and under throw the shorter stuff. JC also I think in some games would lock onto a WR and miss the open player down field. When we lost to the Giants I was at the game and even my wife noticed in 1/2 dozen or more plays we had someone wide open which JC just did not see. Moss also had a game or two where he just could not hang on to the football which I think he was trying to hard to play and not rlying on his natural ability.

DGreene28 · 05-07-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah true that on Colston. Bowe was decent last year, but I wouldn't say "shine".

But even if you count him in there, you had Boldin, then Colston, then Bowe. That's what, 3 WRs in like 5 years? Odds aren't good.

Kelly especially is very raw. I do think that Thomas has a good chance to be the best rookie WR in the league this year. 800 yards is a good target for him. Will that set the league on fire? No. And it won't make us a juggernaut offense, because ARE is going to take a step back.

The only way our passing game really gets cranking is if Moss somehow stays fully healthy and the team gets on the same page with Campbell in a hurry.

In the end, I'm looking at Portis to carry us on his back. In 2010 I'll look for a more dynamic passing game. 2009 is time for growing pains.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Bowe... or maybe our definitions of "Shine" are a little different. I will agree that it is not the norm for a WR to make a major impact his rookie year. I do think Thomas, Kelly and Davis will all make decent contributions this season but not at the level of Bowe or Colston in their rookie seasons.

skinsfan69 · 05-07-2008, 02:52 PM

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If by "never ever do shit" you mean don't gain 1,000+ yards then you have some argument. But to say they can't contribute is an overstatement. As stated above, Marques Colson had 1,000+ in 2006; Dwayne Bowe had 900+ last year; and Calvin Johnson had 756 yards and 4 tds (which is disappointing mostly because so much was expected of him, but he was also injured); James Jones had 676 yards; Greg Jennings had 630 yards in 2006; etc. It is possible for rookies to contribute, even shine in spots, and help win some games. If you are expecting 1,200 yards then, yeah, you will end up disappointed.

Yes these are all good examples. But for every Marucs Colston there are 3-4 Chad Jackson's. I hope these guys come in and contribute right away. Thomas seems more ready to play right away.

GTripp0012 · 05-07-2008, 02:59 PM

Moss isn't totally useless when banged up, and he had a poor year last year.

I mean, he was banged up in 2006 and did just fine. He'll never be as good as he was in 2005 again, and very few will, but he can be our No. 1 outside target even when he's hurt. We just need him to hold on to the ball better than he did last season.

GTripp0012 · 05-07-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DGreene28

We'll have to agree to disagree on Bowe... or maybe our definitions of "Shine" are a little different. I will agree that it is not the norm for a WR to make a major impact his rookie year. I do think Thomas, Kelly and Davis will all make decent contributions this season but not at the level of Bowe or Colston in their rookie seasons.

Michael Clayton also had a great rookie year. Hasn't done much since though.

Dirtbag359 · 05-07-2008, 03:08 PM

This type of stuff happens all the time in the NFL. Everyone thinks that some guy is past his prime (or in some cases a bust), the team brings in some young blood, and all of a sudden the guy has a career year. Ok maybe Drew Brees is the only guy I can think of but I have a feeling that Moss is going to have a season thats closer to his 2005 form then his 2008 form.

With that said, I know that ARE's surgery was only minor, and in some cases routine, but suddenly drafting 3 pass catchers doesn't seem like overkill anymore.

But I wonder if you trust a guy that doesn't have anything done in the offseason or the guy that has routine surgery to be on the safe side?

Dirtbag359 · 05-07-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Michael Clayton also had a great rookie year. Hasn't done much since though.

Yes he did he...... .........well he........ .......but there was that time that.........vet min?

SmootSmack · 05-07-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yes these are all good examples. But for every Marucs Colston there are 3-4 Chad Jackson's. I hope these guys come in and contribute right away. Thomas seems more ready to play right away.

I think Kelly is more ready to play right away. Thomas is still a bit raw by comparison.

Mattyk72 · 05-07-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Moss isn't totally useless when banged up, and he had a poor year last year.

I mean, he was banged up in 2006 and did just fine. He'll never be as good as he was in 2005 again, and very few will, but he can be our No. 1 outside target even when he's hurt. We just need him to hold on to the ball better than he did last season.

He actually had a better year last year than he did in 2006 as far as catches and yards.

Santana Moss: Career Stats

GTripp0012 · 05-07-2008, 04:40 PM

I was comparing him to his teammates, as in the fact that he vastly outproduced every other receiver on the team in 2006, and Randle El was more productive in less time in 2007.

His traditional stats do look very similar in 06 and 07 though, he just simply dropped more passes. Catch those questionable drops, and its a great year for him. Based on that much, I think he will have a rebound season this year.

Longtimefan · 05-07-2008, 05:02 PM

Providing Moss stays healthy, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to post numbers comparable to his 2005 season. The only uncertainty for him is injury.

The fact we signed Thomas and Kelly will only serve to strenghten the competition. Don't look for Moss or ARE to take a back seat to two rookies who still have to find their way in the league.

Much has been made of the fact we signed two receivers from the draft, but we must keep in mind we lost three receivers in Caldwell, Lloyd, and McKardell. The only receiver we have who could be in future jepordy is ARE, his salry will take a huge hike in 2009.

Depending on how swiftly Devin Thomas can develop, he's the only receiver on the roster who could possibly compete with Moss as a deep threat. Since Thomas is still a rookie, Moss's services are going to be sorely needed.

MonkFan4Life · 05-07-2008, 05:35 PM

I honsetly don't see this as a competition for who will be our number 1. Moss is. Hands down. He needed help. Before we had Moss, and that was it. Moss would be double teamed and either the QB (Brunell) never threw to anyone besides Moss or they missed him (Campbell). When healthy Moss can torch just about anyone but you need another receiver out there to garner some type of respect from the defense. Hopefully Kelly or Thomas can do that this year which will open up opportunities for Santana. Once defenses know that there is more on the field receiving wise other than Moss and Cooley then the Skins will be in a good spot. I think that Moss will have a good year, because of the help that he has now.

redsk1 · 05-07-2008, 05:43 PM

If these Rooks turn out to be decent. It can open up things for SM...alot of things. He could be in for a big year.

If he stays healthy.

pstylee · 05-07-2008, 07:47 PM

My only thing with Moss is this. He himself said he "Quit" in the Green Bay game. What kind of message does this send to the team and to the Rookies. That it's ok to quit, because the game isn't going your way. Overall he is a great WR when healthy, and with him, ARE, Cooley, and anyone of the Rooks out there, I see his numbers (YAC, and TD's) increasing, b/c its his style of game. Let him catch, and run. But I lost lots of respect for him in the Green Bay game. I mean seriously even TO doesn't quit on games, he just sucks but thats a different story.

I just hope that he will be able to bounce back, and with less pressure from opposing defenses on him this year I believe that we will see a good WR in him again.

05-07-2008, 02:03 PM	#31 (permalink)
Mattyk72 #21 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 32,281	Re: What this all means for Moss? I don't think the QB delivery has anything to do with it. When Collins took over Moss was finally getting healthy and they just seemed to click better, probably because Collins could see the field better and make better reads. __________________ Warpath VIP \| Warpath Shop \| DC Pro Sports Report

05-07-2008, 02:59 PM	#35 (permalink)
GTripp0012 Jason Campbell: Franchise QB Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 6,447	Re: What this all means for Moss? Moss isn't totally useless when banged up, and he had a poor year last year. I mean, he was banged up in 2006 and did just fine. He'll never be as good as he was in 2005 again, and very few will, but he can be our No. 1 outside target even when he's hurt. We just need him to hold on to the ball better than he did last season. __________________ "It's mind-boggling to me, really. Look at the tape. Look at my impact on the game. The guys who make it are good players, and I'm not saying I'm better than all of them. But I wish people would watch the games, watch the tape." - London Fletcher on his pro bowl candidacy.

05-07-2008, 03:08 PM	#37 (permalink)
Dirtbag359 The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Posts: 2,187	Re: What this all means for Moss? This type of stuff happens all the time in the NFL. Everyone thinks that some guy is past his prime (or in some cases a bust), the team brings in some young blood, and all of a sudden the guy has a career year. Ok maybe Drew Brees is the only guy I can think of but I have a feeling that Moss is going to have a season thats closer to his 2005 form then his 2008 form. With that said, I know that ARE's surgery was only minor, and in some cases routine, but suddenly drafting 3 pass catchers doesn't seem like overkill anymore. But I wonder if you trust a guy that doesn't have anything done in the offseason or the guy that has routine surgery to be on the safe side? __________________ "What does a new president mean for the space program? Miles O'Brien explains, next." - Wolf Blitzer (Please tell me that I'm not the only one that see's the irony in this quote)

05-07-2008, 04:40 PM	#41 (permalink)
GTripp0012 Jason Campbell: Franchise QB Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 6,447	Re: What this all means for Moss? I was comparing him to his teammates, as in the fact that he vastly outproduced every other receiver on the team in 2006, and Randle El was more productive in less time in 2007. His traditional stats do look very similar in 06 and 07 though, he just simply dropped more passes. Catch those questionable drops, and its a great year for him. Based on that much, I think he will have a rebound season this year. __________________ "It's mind-boggling to me, really. Look at the tape. Look at my impact on the game. The guys who make it are good players, and I'm not saying I'm better than all of them. But I wish people would watch the games, watch the tape." - London Fletcher on his pro bowl candidacy.

05-07-2008, 05:02 PM	#42 (permalink)
Longtimefan The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 1,683	Re: What this all means for Moss? Providing Moss stays healthy, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to post numbers comparable to his 2005 season. The only uncertainty for him is injury. The fact we signed Thomas and Kelly will only serve to strenghten the competition. Don't look for Moss or ARE to take a back seat to two rookies who still have to find their way in the league. Much has been made of the fact we signed two receivers from the draft, but we must keep in mind we lost three receivers in Caldwell, Lloyd, and McKardell. The only receiver we have who could be in future jepordy is ARE, his salry will take a huge hike in 2009. Depending on how swiftly Devin Thomas can develop, he's the only receiver on the roster who could possibly compete with Moss as a deep threat. Since Thomas is still a rookie, Moss's services are going to be sorely needed.

05-07-2008, 05:35 PM	#43 (permalink)
MonkFan4Life Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 777	Re: What this all means for Moss? I honsetly don't see this as a competition for who will be our number 1. Moss is. Hands down. He needed help. Before we had Moss, and that was it. Moss would be double teamed and either the QB (Brunell) never threw to anyone besides Moss or they missed him (Campbell). When healthy Moss can torch just about anyone but you need another receiver out there to garner some type of respect from the defense. Hopefully Kelly or Thomas can do that this year which will open up opportunities for Santana. Once defenses know that there is more on the field receiving wise other than Moss and Cooley then the Skins will be in a good spot. I think that Moss will have a good year, because of the help that he has now. __________________ The coolest six words said on T.V. in a loong time, ..... " *Ladies and Gentleman, Mr. Conway Twitty !" - Peter Griffin*

05-07-2008, 05:43 PM	#44 (permalink)
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,191	Re: What this all means for Moss? If these Rooks turn out to be decent. It can open up things for SM...alot of things. He could be in for a big year. If he stays healthy.

05-07-2008, 07:47 PM	#45 (permalink)
pstylee Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Oak harbor, WA Posts: 12	Re: What this all means for Moss? My only thing with Moss is this. He himself said he "Quit" in the Green Bay game. What kind of message does this send to the team and to the Rookies. That it's ok to quit, because the game isn't going your way. Overall he is a great WR when healthy, and with him, ARE, Cooley, and anyone of the Rooks out there, I see his numbers (YAC, and TD's) increasing, b/c its his style of game. Let him catch, and run. But I lost lots of respect for him in the Green Bay game. I mean seriously even TO doesn't quit on games, he just sucks but thats a different story. I just hope that he will be able to bounce back, and with less pressure from opposing defenses on him this year I believe that we will see a good WR in him again.

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