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Old 05-08-2008, 10:46 AM   #16
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Everybody seems concerned about the decline of JJ. I'm also concerned about Samuels at left tackle. Those two got old really fast. Maybe Bugel has lost a step or two in coaching ability, also.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:04 AM   #17
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Bugel worked miracles last year with Heyer and Fabini manning the right side down the stretch. I don't know how one could say he's lost a step or two.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:07 PM   #18
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Bugel worked miracles last year with Heyer and Fabini manning the right side down the stretch. I don't know how one could say he's lost a step or two.
Yeah I don't know either.

I think our OL "issues" overall have been severely overblown this offseason. With the injuries we had last year it was a miracle that we got the kind of production that we did down the stretch.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:58 PM   #19
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Yeah I don't know either.

I think our OL "issues" overall have been severely overblown this offseason. With the injuries we had last year it was a miracle that we got the kind of production that we did down the stretch.
Maybe it's been overstated, but the lack of depth on the O & D lines is definitely worth noting. I agree about last year, though I would add a caveat; the pass protection was incredible given the right side of the line was total patchwork w/a rook RT & a converted vet tackle playing guard, however our running game suffered greatly. We couldn't consistently run right until late in a game if and when the D was worn down.

What happened last year could just as easily happen this year to 2 different players. I woldn't be surprised if Samuels gets nicked this year as he's been so durable, it's almost simply a law of averages that he'll get hurt in some fashion. Kendall is way old & w/bad knees. I definitely think there's reason to be worried & I wonder if the front office is putting too much pressure on Buges, or has unrealistic expectations about what he can do to get a group of misfits to play as starters if someone goes down.

Let's just hope the O line returns to 06 form when no one was hurt & L. Betts was often untouched until he hit the secondary.
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I don't buy the lack of depth take when it comes to the OL. The line held up pretty damn well considering the injuries last year. While I'm not a huge Heyer guy I think he's more than serviceable and he should continue to improve. Fabini is a valuable guy to have around in reserve, and Rinehart looks like he could be solid even in his rookie year.

I don't think we'll see another season where we lose 2 starters right off the bat. Of course guys are bound to get dinged up and we may even lose one guy for an extended period of time, but I think we have adequate depth to get by.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:08 PM   #21
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Samuels has to stay healthy though. If he goes down, we dont have anyone capable of handling LT.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:11 PM   #22
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Samuels has to stay healthy though. If he goes down, we dont have anyone capable of handling LT.
I agree that he's the guy we can least afford to lose.

If we lost Samuels for an extended period of time I think some people might finally come to realize just how good he is.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:11 PM   #23
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Depth aint an issue guy....it was more of an issue last year....when Wade was our all purpose backup...no one expected anything of Heyer.
The truth is Wade aint that great, which is why Heyer got a chance...we got lucky there with a 3rd stringer.

Now we've got Heyer with experience, and Wade and Fabini...who aint that bad...not to mention a solid draft pick.

The only reason Oline depth is a concern is because of 2 things:
Last year we were decimated by injuries.
Our Oline is getting older.

I am far more concerned about our Dline depth since we didn't draft anyone of note.
(imagine if we lost 2 starters there..ie Carter, Daniels)
No comparison...

O line will be fine.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:46 PM   #24
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I think our starting 5 has a few more years left - especially Samuels and Rabach -- maybe not Kendall or Jansen.

However as soon as next season I think we will have 1-3 new starters on the line. Between Rinehart, Alexander, and Heyer, we can fill 1-2 of those spots, but I think we will need to address OL in FA in addition to the draft.
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:43 PM   #25
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I don't buy the lack of depth take when it comes to the OL. The line held up pretty damn well considering the injuries last year. While I'm not a huge Heyer guy I think he's more than serviceable and he should continue to improve. Fabini is a valuable guy to have around in reserve, and Rinehart looks like he could be solid even in his rookie year.

I don't think we'll see another season where we lose 2 starters right off the bat. Of course guys are bound to get dinged up and we may even lose one guy for an extended period of time, but I think we have adequate depth to get by.
I have been banging the O-line drum for some time now. Even so, I agree that in the short term (this season and possibly next) we should be fine as long as Samuels is healthy. Over the next 2 to three years, I suspect that we will see a changing of the guard along the line.

While we may not lose two starters "right off the bat", I remained convinced that we will lose two starters for a significant length of time (more than three games) during the season. Hopefully, not in a manner that overlaps. Our line is of the age where injuries happen, even to those not previously injury prone.

With that said, I agree that Fabini makes a solid backup. In many ways, he is a 6th starter in that I don't think the quality drops too far when he goes in. Of course, he too is over 30 and not a long term solution. Rhinehardt and Heyer give good young depth and I am betting at least one OFA makes the team along the line. I agree there is no urgency THIS year. Next year, who knows.

The line is solid and maybe this year we get a break by not getting any "breaks" (It could happen, I am just not counting on it).
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Old 05-08-2008, 04:22 PM   #26
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As sad as I am to say, I'm almost expecting at least one major injury along the line this year. It is almost a guarantee w/ this team. That is why we need more depth.
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Old 05-09-2008, 06:17 AM   #27
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I've been reading The Warpath for awhile now and I love the passion and knowledge displayed on the site. With that said, here is my first reply to a topic.

I still like Jansen alot. To say he's on the decline is a bit premature I think. The guy got his leg rolled over. It was one of those freak plays, it just happens. If healthy (and I see no reason he won't be), he'll be back to his nasty self.

Randy Thomas is a stud. Plain and simple. I love watching him lead block for Portis. Thomas is the most athletic lineman we have in my opinion.

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Old 05-09-2008, 07:56 AM   #28
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Injuries happen plain and simple, you just have to deal with them nobody likes them.
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:03 PM   #29
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I think that last year was a freak year for injuries on the line. Our RT, and RG got hurt for the year. The primary backup RT got hurt (Wade). Our LG was new to the team. Our replacement RG was a use to playing tackle. Somehow we still ended up in the middle of the pack on offense and in the playoffs.

What concerns me most is Jansen. Not because of his age, but because I was sitting in the stands right there when he broke his ankle. It looked terrible. It was turned all the way around. I have had friends that have had similar breaks and they lost some mobility because of it. If this is the case with Jansens ankle, he is going to have more of a problem with pass protection (less in run blocking). I'll be hoping for the best, but I'm sure he will be better than Heyer. The kid did a good job for being an undrafted rookie, but he had to have help all the time. Jansen can usually handle things alone.
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:34 PM   #30
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one thing i want to note:

people keep using the term "freak injury". in my opinion, there are virtually no freak injuries. there are jsut injuries. this is football. players get injured. the job of the front office is to ensure that the drop-off in ability between a starter and the back-up is as insignificant as possible.

lack of depth on defense killed us in '06. lack of depth on the o-line could have killed us in '07 but do to the resliience of some tough dudes, like wade, we were able to pull through. however, it really showed in the playoff game. the right side of the line was way over-matched.

hopefully we can find another rookie free agent who can servicable on the level that heyer was last year. but don't think jansen's injury was a 'freak' occurrence that won't happen again. that, or something similar, can, and in all likelihood will, happen to somebody.
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